False accusations do not occur as frequently as rapes occur, but they do need to be addressed as the crimes that they are.
Bubu
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UNI guys were even interested in the happenings of Bubu or Yempabou back in Jan....
I don't see members of Congress referring to other crimes as "legitimate," such as legitimate armed robbery or legitimate murder. An officer told one woman she was "lucky" that she had been assaulted with a knife because she would be believed; she wasn't really feeling lucky.
I don't see members of Congress referring to other crimes as "legitimate," such as legitimate armed robbery or legitimate murder. An officer told one woman she was "lucky" that she had been assaulted with a knife because she would be believed; she wasn't really feeling lucky.
Yeah...there are some pretty under-informed people out there no doubt. Everyone knows we have miniature Trons in there with laser guns to shoot the swimmers & prevent pregnancy, dontcha know?
wink:Women are standing up for themselves (and for other women) better than in the past, and many men are standing with us. I don't think it's an all or nothing prospect, though. Some still believe every woman who claims she was raped is lying; I don't count myself among them. However, based on my own life experiences I do not believe every woman is telling the truth about being raped, either. Most are, but not all.
Well, I am a Hawkeye fan and not blinded. In our country, you are innocent until found guilty. The case was dropped but I highly doubt it was because Bubu's attorneys reminded the alleged victim of anything. It was my understanding the prosecution dropped the charges because of evidence, not because the victim declined to pursue them. His current lawsuit I believe is based partly on the fact that the accuser and her mother fabricated some evidence.
Your second point is ridiculous. After charges were dropped, he came back to the team and I never saw anything about it being a big to do that no one wanted him back. He played one semester after the incident. It was LATER that the ISU president made the decision not to allow him to remain on the team for the following season based on his review of an appeal regarding student conduct that the accuser brought forward to ISU. So as pointed out by others, all rulings were in favor of Bubu EXCEPT for the one by the ISU president and then the BOR backing the president. In fact, it was stated in the media that in January Palo had been found INNOCENT of violating the student code of conduct.
What system would you propose Bubu use to fight the president's decision if he shouldn't use the court system?
Also in this whole mess, everyone has failed to mention the other guy also had charges dropped. Was he also a student and did the accuser make accusations of violation of student code on him? Perhaps he wasn't a student but it would be interesting to know if she went thru the same process with the other guy.
To the comments that he was treated differently than other athletes who commit violations, he actually wasn't. The difference is in this case the accuser went to the school with charges of violation of student conduct. That board or committee or whomever they are found him innocent, so the accuser appealed the decision to the president. My guess with other athletes is that no one took the matter up with ISU.
Yeah...there are some pretty under-informed people out there no doubt. Everyone knows we have miniature Trons in there with laser guns to shoot the swimmers & prevent pregnancy, dontcha know?
Thanks, now I'm scared of consensual sex.
Nope - they only go on the attack when it's non-consensual...
Well, that's what an elected official (from Missouri, I think) told us, remember? That a woman's body has natural defenses that prevent pregnancy in cases of rape? I just explained how we do it. You're welcome.
I'm sure BuBu and his attorney were as shocked as everyone else when Leath reversed the APL decision, especially since Leath had casually sat on the case over the summer while he went to Africa. After all the charge had been dropped by the county attorney, BuBu had returned for the last half of his junior season, and I think it's safe to say everybody or almost everybody thought this case was in the rear view mirror. Then Leath's bombshell.
With the way Title IX is being tossed around, universities could face severe punishment for not throwing the book at the accused in these cases. If the accuser had political connections of any kind, I can see this being a factor contributing to the set of decisions made by Leath and the BoR. I could see the threats to universities in how they handle these cases working against the impartiality of the administrations.
I wonder about the broader implications of Leath's judgment. For example, did his actions keep us off the list of universities being investigated for mishandling rape cases that was in the news a few weeks ago?
I wonder about the broader implications of Leath's judgment. For example, did his actions keep us off the list of universities being investigated for mishandling rape cases that was in the news a few weeks ago?
I agree with a lot of what you said, and those that are ripping on BuBu for fighting for what he believes is right would probably be the first to file suit if they thought they were wronged. Technically you're right about BuBu not being treated differently than other athletes who weren't accused of student code violations, though if precedent is set by this case it would seem awfully easy for a mad girlfriend to reek havoc on her athlete boyfriend after they fight or breakup by filing student conduct violation charges with the university. I'm thinking of David Irving whose assault charges were dropped, but if his girlfriend appealed to the university and Leath wants to ignore that, he can. But BuBu in actuality was treated very differently than other athletes in that David Irving was allowed back on the football team "before" his assault charges were even dropped, just the opposite of BuBu. JP and Leath have been linked at the hip on the BuBu situation and do you really think if Leath went to JP and said it would appear far too hypocritical if we let Irving back on the football team, that Irving would have been let back on the football team? Not only was Irving allowed back on the team, but Leath and JP made statements such as "honor before victory" to the press when it came to BuBu. Leath also clearly insinuated to the media that BuBu had done something worse than other athletes that were allowed back on ISU teams, some convicted felons. Technically you're right, but the reality of the situation is that BuBu was treated very differently than other athletes who have got in trouble, and BuBu has never been convicted of anything.
I would give more credit to that theory if Leath hadn't been so public in his criticism of the court decision and especially BuBu. "Honor before victory", etc. He came across pretty vindictive.
In the Irving situation, my guess was that Rhoads and Pollard had the information regarding statements from GF and her mom that they were going to ruin Irving's career. The case was also dropped because of Irving's alibis so perhaps Rhoads and Pollard had that information as well. Have no idea, just speculation but it is probable they had those pieces of information when they decided to let him continue to play.
I hope a resolution comes that quickly. However, there will likely be people arguing about it long after any court decisions come down.
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