Bubu

[CyDude16]

I'm sure BuBu and his attorney were as shocked as everyone else when Leath reversed the APL decision, especially since Leath had casually sat on the case over the summer while he went to Africa. After all the charge had been dropped by the county attorney, BuBu had returned for the last half of his junior season, and I think it's safe to say everybody or almost everybody thought this case was in the rear view mirror. Then Leath's bombshell.

Wrong.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

I agree with a lot of what you said, and those that are ripping on BuBu for fighting for what he believes is right would probably be the first to file suit if they thought they were wronged. Technically you're right about BuBu not being treated differently than other athletes who weren't accused of student code violations, though if precedent is set by this case it would seem awfully easy for a mad girlfriend to reek havoc on her athlete boyfriend after they fight or breakup by filing student conduct violation charges with the university. I'm thinking of David Irving whose assault charges were dropped, but if his girlfriend appealed to the university and Leath wants to ignore that, he can. But BuBu in actuality was treated very differently than other athletes in that David Irving was allowed back on the football team "before" his assault charges were even dropped, just the opposite of BuBu. JP and Leath have been linked at the hip on the BuBu situation and do you really think if Leath went to JP and said it would appear far too hypocritical if we let Irving back on the football team, that Irving would have been let back on the football team? Not only was Irving allowed back on the team, but Leath and JP made statements such as "honor before victory" to the press when it came to BuBu. Leath also clearly insinuated to the media that BuBu had done something worse than other athletes that were allowed back on ISU teams, some convicted felons. Technically you're right, but the reality of the situation is that BuBu was treated very differently than other athletes who have got in trouble, and BuBu has never been convicted of anything.

In terms of liability to the university, the cases of Palo and Irving are very different because unless I'm mistaken, Irving's girlfriend was not enrolled as a student. Leath has to handle the cases differently because in one case he has two members of the university community involved while the other that's not the case.

 

[Wesley]

In terms of liability to the university, the cases of Palo and Irving are very different because unless I'm mistaken, Irving's girlfriend was not enrolled as a student. Leath has to handle the cases differently because in one case he has two members of the university community involved while the other that's not the case.

Having his parents working previously for ISU did not help the situation.

 

[CYKOFAN]

In terms of liability to the university, the cases of Palo and Irving are very different because unless I'm mistaken, Irving's girlfriend was not enrolled as a student. Leath has to handle the cases differently because in one case he has two members of the university community involved while the other that's not the case.

I don't know if Irving's girlfriend was a student or not, but the cases are pretty similar in the respect that both athletes were charged with assault, both claimed to be innocent of the charges, but one was allowed to return to the team before the charges were dropped while the other one wasn't. I don't know about the liability issue and if it makes a difference or not if the accuser is a student, but if that was the main consideration, that doesn't smell good.

 

[CycloneErik]

I don't know if Irving's girlfriend was a student or not, but the cases are pretty similar in the respect that both athletes were charged with assault, both claimed to be innocent of the charges, but one was allowed to return to the team before the charges were dropped while the other one wasn't. I don't know about the liability issue and if it makes a difference or not if the accuser is a student, but if that was the main consideration, that doesn't smell good.

If Irving's wasn't appealed to Leath, then he wouldn't be involved. That's a pretty large difference between their cases.

 

[Wesley]

I don't know if Irving's girlfriend was a student or not, but the cases are pretty similar in the respect that both athletes were charged with assault, both claimed to be innocent of the charges, but one was allowed to return to the team before the charges were dropped while the other one wasn't. I don't know about the liability issue and if it makes a difference or not if the accuser is a student, but if that was the main consideration, that doesn't smell good.

No. Does not pass the smell test. My guess is the Mom continually harped for justice with the police, the university, the bball staff, the media once the prefabricated evidence was manufactured in hopes she would not end up in civil court which she has. Seems she was the one pushing the lawsuit buttons last year, all year long. Maybe she even alluded that she had a friend on the BOR whose button she might push.

The real question is maybe that was the gal really drunk or consensual when the events happened.We all know many people drink alcohol to obliterate their senses so they can do things they probably regret later. She was a victim most likely and Bubu and his friend made some bad choices. Little did the three suspect at the time what it would lead to in the following years.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Wrong.

If you weren't surprised that Leath would reverse the ALJ decision and boot BuBu after he had played the last half of his junior year, you should have warned BuBu so he could have transferred and also told Fred so he could have got another scholarship player he could actually play.

 

[ExCyment]

In terms of liability to the university, the cases of Palo and Irving are very different because unless I'm mistaken, Irving's girlfriend was not enrolled as a student. Leath has to handle the cases differently because in one case he has two members of the university community involved while the other that's not the case.

One involved charges of rape, one didn't. Not really the same and even if charges were the same circumstances are different. Later events would indicate the mistake was probably made in Irving's case not Bubu's.

 

[CYKOFAN]

No. Does not pass the smell test. My guess is the Mom continually harped for justice with the police, the university, the bball staff, the media once the prefabricated evidence was manufactured in hopes she would not end up in civil court which she has. Seems she was the one pushing the lawsuit buttons last year, all year long. Maybe she even alluded that she had a friend on the BOR whose button she might push.

The real question is maybe that was the gal really drunk or consensual when the events happened.We all know many people drink alcohol to obliterate their senses so they can do things they probably regret later. She was a victim most likely and Bubu and his friend made some bad choices. Little did the three suspect at the time what it would lead to in the following years.

I agree with a lot of what you say, and maybe we'll find out questions like who the mother supposedly knew at the university or BOR that may have influenced Leath's decision, if Leath really had some inside info that the county attorney and ALJ didn't have, and the exact nature of the relationship between BuBu and the girl before the night in question. Reportedly they had a prior relationship, exchanged text messages, etc. and that should be easy to prove one way or the other. I agree all 3 made a bad decision that night, though if it was consensual relations after drinking, that happens thousands of times every week-end on college campuses and everywhere else. But so far BuBu is the one who has paid a dear price for this the last two years, and he's not the one who was caught lying to the county attorney and trying to fabricate evidence. We can only hope that thru the case more of the truth will come out wherever it leads and justice will be done.

 

[CYKOFAN]

If Irving's wasn't appealed to Leath, then he wouldn't be involved. That's a pretty large difference between their cases.

That's true but I think we both know that if a college President doesn't want a player charged with assault to be reinstated until the case is dropped, that player very likely won't be reinstated. I'm about 99% sure if Leath went to JP and said we can't let Irving back on the team, especially in light of how we handled the BuBu case, then JP would have informed CPR and Irving would very likely not been back on the team. Heck, a judge went over Leath's head and ordered Bubu back on the basketball team, but Leath and JP made it very clear with their public statements that they didn't want BuBu playing, and he didn't play. Like everybody else, coaches are very reluctant to cross their bosses.

 

[CycloneErik]

That's true but I think we both know that if a college President doesn't want a player charged with assault to be reinstated until the case is dropped, that player very likely won't be reinstated. I'm about 99% sure if Leath went to JP and said we can't let Irving back on the team, especially in light of how we handled the BuBu case, then JP would have informed CPR and Irving would very likely not been back on the team. Heck, a judge went over Leath's head and ordered Bubu back on the basketball team, but Leath and JP made it very clear with their public statements that they didn't want BuBu playing, and he didn't play. Like everybody else, coaches are very reluctant to cross their bosses.

Leath seems to be pretty hands-off. You're looking for a conspiracy sort of thing here when there's a very simple explanation that's much more likely.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Leath seems to be pretty hands-off. You're looking for a conspiracy sort of thing here when there's a very simple explanation that's much more likely.

Not a conspiracy but a pretty big lack of consistency when you consider a convicted felon was allowed back on a team in addition to the Irving case. I don't know much about Leath's administrative style, but I would say he was very hands on in the BuBu case, reversing the ALJ decision and being aggressive with public statements that he didn't want Fred playing BuBu after the court ordered him back on the team.

 

[jmb]

I agree with a lot of what you say, and maybe we'll find out questions like who the mother supposedly knew at the university or BOR that may have influenced Leath's decision, if Leath really had some inside info that the county attorney and ALJ didn't have, and the exact nature of the relationship between BuBu and the girl before the night in question. Reportedly they had a prior relationship, exchanged text messages, etc. and that should be easy to prove one way or the other. I agree all 3 made a bad decision that night, though if it was consensual relations after drinking, that happens thousands of times every week-end on college campuses and everywhere else. But so far BuBu is the one who has paid a dear price for this the last two years, and he's not the one who was caught lying to the county attorney and trying to fabricate evidence. We can only hope that thru the case more of the truth will come out wherever it leads and justice will be done.

You make a damn good case why women should never report rape. Only thing missing was "she deserved it because of the clothes she was wearing".

 

[State43]

You make a damn good case why women should never report rape. Only thing missing was "she deserved it because of the clothes she was wearing".

Never mind the fact this girl lied, they have also had relations in the past, and Bubus name has always been upstanding prior. I guess it's just easier to blame the man for your regrets.

 

[jmb]

Never mind the fact this girl lied, they have also had relations in the past, and Bubus name has always been upstanding prior. I guess it's just easier to blame the man for your regrets.

Yup. It never happens that men rape women the have relations with before. Never.

 

[Wesley]

Never mind the fact this girl lied, they have also had relations in the past, and Bubus name has always been upstanding prior. I guess it's just easier to blame the man for your regrets.

..and she made the call to meet.

 

[CyAg]

Wow state, that is a classic blame the accuser mentality. Sorry, that is how I read the post. (My apologies if I am wrong)

There are so many shades of grey and so many points of misinformation on either side of this issue.

Let me start by saying I have my opinions but do not know what really happened and nor what the full truth is. At this point very few do and they may not agree!.

I have challenges with those on either end of the spectrum:
-Free Bubu, Leath is wrong.
-Hang Bubu high.

However, the biggest challenge I have on this forum on the those who are not open to listening to the each other, and above all the massive level of ignorance on legal issues and university policy issues.

From my personal experience I only know 2 things for certain.

1. Something happened that evening.

2. Leath and Pollard (who have seen things none of us will likley see about this) are comfortable in their decisions. They can sleep at night feeling they feel they made a right decision (I am speaking of how they feel personally.)

Was the decision right or wrong? Personally I have know way of answering that. However, I do feel those that throw either side under the bus should just step back and see what happens as this now plays out.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Wesley]

Wow state, that is a classic blame the accuser mentality. Sorry, that is how I read the post. (My apologies if I am wrong)

There are so many shades of grey and so many points of misinformation on either side of this issue.

Let me start by saying I have my opinions but do not know what really happened and nor what the full truth is. At this point very few do and they may not agree!.

I have challenges with those on either end of the spectrum:
-Free Bubu, Leath is wrong.
-Hang Bubu high.

However, the biggest challenge I have on this forum on the those who are not open to listening to the each other, and above all the massive level of ignorance on legal issues and university policy issues.

From my personal experience I only know 2 things for certain.

1. Something happened that evening.

2. Leath and Pollard (who have seen things none of us will likley see about this) are comfortable in their decisions. They can sleep at night feeling they feel they made a right decision (I am speaking of how they feel personally.)

Was the decision right or wrong? Personally I have know way of answering that. However, I do feel those that throw either side under the bus should just step back and see what happens as this now plays out.

Just my thoughts.

There were three people that night. Give them lie detector tests.

 

[LivntheCyLife]

I don't know if Irving's girlfriend was a student or not, but the cases are pretty similar in the respect that both athletes were charged with assault, both claimed to be innocent of the charges, but one was allowed to return to the team before the charges were dropped while the other one wasn't. I don't know about the liability issue and if it makes a difference or not if the accuser is a student, but if that was the main consideration, that doesn't smell good.

The university's number one priority is to its students. If a student files a complaint of sexual misconduct, it's up to the university to try to provide a safe environment and prevent future sexual harassment, assault, or rape. These decisions are not completely about convicting and punishing somebody (we have a legal system for that). I'm not saying it's a great system, but it's the reality that universities face today and whether the purported misconduct was between two members of the university makes a huge difference. I will say I find Leath's decision very bizarre to deem Bubu could remain a student but not participate in sports.

 

[CyAg]

I would have no argument with that recommendation.
However, that assumes full cognitive abilities.
I am guessing this could be murky as well.
Again, I cannot in good conscience give make I final conclusion where I stand on this.
I have opinions, but I would be a fool if I said I had enough information to determine innocence or guilt.