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Sorry if this has already been discussed, but how can ESPN have South Carolina as a 7 seed when they are 55 in Kenpom and 57 in the Net rankings? I know they are ranked #20, but why are their metrics so poor compared to the way they are being treated?

This what confuses me about the different metrics.
I would assume a 7 seed is about the lowest projected seed right now for Power 6 team that only has 5 losses.

At some point wins have to matter and they are doing a solid job of winning so far despite their average metrics.
 
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Sorry if this has already been discussed, but how can ESPN have South Carolina as a 7 seed when they are 55 in Kenpom and 57 in the Net rankings? I know they are ranked #20, but why are their metrics so poor compared to the way they are being treated?

This what confuses me about the different metrics.

Exactly. The had/have 2 really good wins. The first, at home against Kentucky ended up being in the midst of a Kentucky slide. The @Tenn win is outstanding but lets look at their schedule a bit further to make sense of it.

Getting blown out by 40 at Auburn is a BAD loss. Losing by nearly 30 at Bama is bad. Losing to Georgia and LSU at home also aren't good looks, and the only quality road win on their schedule is the one at Tenn (though it's a good one).

For now I'd say they should be closer to a 9-10 seed, in between the ranking and their metrics.
 
Honest opinion? For being "reported" by the 10 or so people who seem to dumb, hate, or vehemently respond to any post I have regardless of the content. Also, in all honesty, I'm personally attacked more than anyone on this board (and by a large margin). I'm not really crying about that in and of itself, but find it ludicrous people can vehemently attack me for something they don't agree with only to report me for (sometimes) responding to those attacks.

Why not just put me on ignore? Those are questions the posters nor the mods really want to address.


Bit of advice. Quit being such an idiot on this board and basically always throwing our team under the bus, then going to other message boards and telling them how we suck at this or that. Just so you can be the good Iowa State poster on their board. It's a bad look. Why are you going to other boards and throwing our team under the bus? What makes you want to do that. Why not go to the other teams boards and prop us up. Its like you want enemies within the Iowa State community and want to be friends with Kansas and Houston fans. That makes no sense. That is the very definition of what a traitor is and that is what you are. Also, someone was showing in another thread where you were actually doing it. So don't deny it. Just tell us why you do it?
 
Bit of advice. Quit being such an idiot on this board and basically always throwing our team under the bus, then going to other message boards and telling them how we suck at this or that. Just so you can be the good Iowa State poster on their board. It's a bad look. Why are you going to other boards and throwing our team under the bus? What makes you want to do that. Why not go to the other teams boards and prop us up. Its like you want enemies within the Iowa State community and want to be friends with Kansas and Houston fans. That makes no sense. That is the very definition of what a traitor is and that is what you are. Also, someone was showing in another thread where you were actually doing it. So don't deny it. Just tell us why you do it?
They have some pretty apparent mental health challenges. Being online is not for everybody.
 
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Bit of advice. Quit being such an idiot on this board and basically always throwing our team under the bus, then going to other message boards and telling them how we suck at this or that. Just so you can be the good Iowa State poster on their board. It's a bad look. Why are you going to other boards and throwing our team under the bus? What makes you want to do that. Why not go to the other teams boards and prop us up. Its like you want enemies within the Iowa State community and want to be friends with Kansas and Houston fans. That makes no sense. That is the very definition of what a traitor is and that is what you are. Also, someone was showing in another thread where you were actually doing it. So don't deny it. Just tell us why you do it?

I don't try to be positive or negative, rather objective. I was AT the Houston game and guess what? I thought it was one of the best games we've played all year considering the circumstances. Rebounding was A+. Three point shooting was A +. We were sloppy with the ball but given the environment it was understandable. Most importantly I thought we showed amazing composure and resilience that should play well in March.

I find it funny that all of the complainers of my so called "negativity" rarely respond to, like, etc. on anything positive I do say. Believe it or not it's a lot more than some would realize on here. Or is saying we should be a number 2 seed not a positive take?
 
Sorry if this has already been discussed, but how can ESPN have South Carolina as a 7 seed when they are 55 in Kenpom and 57 in the Net rankings? I know they are ranked #20, but why are their metrics so poor compared to the way they are being treated?

This what confuses me about the different metrics.

South Carolina is our dream 6/7 pairing.
 
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And how well do those 5 players play together? Do they defend well as a group? Do they rotate defensively well? Do they rebound as a group well? That's the entire point. We have team metrics available, which have already been provided to you
Do they go out of their way to support a teammate when he makes a bad play or is the silence deafening - or worse?
 
I don't try to be positive or negative, rather objective. I was AT the Houston game and guess what? I thought it was one of the best games we've played all year considering the circumstances. Rebounding was A+. Three point shooting was A +. We were sloppy with the ball but given the environment it was understandable. Most importantly I thought we showed amazing composure and resilience that should play well in March.

I find it funny that all of the complainers of my so called "negativity" rarely respond to, like, etc. on anything positive I do say. Believe it or not it's a lot more than some would realize on here. Or is saying we should be a number 2 seed not a positive take?

The way you present your opinions matters. If you want to be taken seriously, consider modifying how you approach criticisms of the team. Like it or not, people read your criticisms and then just immediately discount your opinion based on how you present it. Plenty of people are critical of the team on this site and plenty of those people have respected opinions. There's a difference from being objective and being an ***.

What's more astounding to me is that you acknowledge we're on a fan site and are somehow surprised that people want to defend their team when someone says some really negative things about them. Who knew?
 
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I think we’d win, but they take a lot of 3’s at a good percentage (over 38% last time I checked). That is our defense’s kryptonite. They do turn the ball over a lot which helps us. They play lousy half-court defense, but half-court offense isn’t our strong suit either.

They also have athletes (for whatever that is worth) and their fans travel well too. At least better than other 6-seed opponents which would put a little dent in our Omaha location advantage.

Overall, I think we’d win, cause we’d turn them over and score in transition. But there’s enough tough variables in there that I’d rather see an easier opponent in the Round of 32. If they were our S16 opponent then, yeah, I’d be thrilled
Wasn't aware of their proclivities from deep, so that does change my thought process a bit. Still not afraid, but maybe wary.
 
I don't try to be positive or negative, rather objective. I was AT the Houston game and guess what? I thought it was one of the best games we've played all year considering the circumstances. Rebounding was A+. Three point shooting was A +. We were sloppy with the ball but given the environment it was understandable. Most importantly I thought we showed amazing composure and resilience that should play well in March.

I find it funny that all of the complainers of my so called "negativity" rarely respond to, like, etc. on anything positive I do say. Believe it or not it's a lot more than some would realize on here. Or is saying we should be a number 2 seed not a positive take?


Because you go to the other teams board and throw our team under the bus. Why not go to their board and say "our team can get hot and shoot lights out and if we do that you all are in trouble". You don't, you go on their and go against your own team just so they will be like "ZRF is a good poster, he knows we are better than them and he is reasonable". That is terrible. Then we beat a team and you come on this board and point out everything we did wrong instead of saying Man Jones got hot and murdered them tonight. It's lousy that you do stuff like that. It's one thing in football if we lose to Ohio to say "Man our team can't do anything right". However, we are top 10 and you are still hating on us, and then going on other boards and hating on us more. QUIT. It's embarrassing.
 
The way you present your opinions matters. If you want to be taken seriously, consider modifying how you approach criticisms of the team. Like it or not, people read your criticisms and then just immediately discount your opinion based on how you present it. Plenty of people are critical of the team on this site and plenty of those people have respected opinions. There's a difference from being objective and being an ***.

What's more astounding to me is that you acknowledge we're on a fan site and are somehow surprised that people want to defend their team when someone says some really negative things about them. Who knew?
Good post (fair statement).

Surprised about defending the team? No, not in the least. But literally taking offense to a statement that often can be proven true? That's more or less homerism.
 
Because you go to the other teams board and throw our team under the bus. Why not go to their board and say "our team can get hot and shoot lights out and if we do that you all are in trouble". You don't, you go on their and go against your own team just so they will be like "ZRF is a good poster, he knows we are better than them and he is reasonable". That is terrible. Then we beat a team and you come on this board and point out everything we did wrong instead of saying Man Jones got hot and murdered them tonight. It's lousy that you do stuff like that. It's one thing in football if we lose to Ohio to say "Man our team can't do anything right". However, we are top 10 and you are still hating on us, and then going on other boards and hating on us more. QUIT. It's embarrassing.

That's hardly true.

Being on a Houston board and saying "hey, we are pretty trash at defensive rebounding, an area where our bigs particularly have issues" is far from "throwing the team under the bus". We literally have one of the worst defensive rebounding rates in D1 since the beginning of the year (sorted on Torvik to account for start of conference season). If you isolate on our bigs they often lose rebounds where they had (either) A) superior positioning B) mistimed jumps C) Didn't (literally) grab the ball D) Had overwhelming numbers (didn't body up). It's not just one of our bigs, Ward, BRE, and King are all guilty to varying degrees and for varying reasons.

That game was set up for us to get pummeled on the boards as Houston is a very GOOD rebounding team and are good at home. They are 3rd and 4th in conference in off and def rebounding rates, while we are 4th in off and DEAD LAST on the defensive glass in away games. Wouldn't you know it, we go out and probably put up our best rebounding game of the year. Tre actually bodied up and timed his jumps well. Milan was better than usual which helped immensely. We were also killer on the offensive glass.

That's hardly trashing the team. That's called not being a homer and giving an honest take on an opponent board. Not sure what's wrong with that.
 
He's back. How were things in Kansas?

I live in Kansas so maybe you mean "are" instead of "were".

I was in Houston actually. BBQ was good (Pit Room), weather was beautiful, arena atmosphere was A+, but Houston and the area around the campus was/is rough.
 
You could just stop worrying about the buttons people push under your post.

They literally don't matter at all.

I don't really. But when it's likely those same people, the one's that ***** about posts time and time again, keep engaging and report (instead of ignoring) it becomes a bit of an issue. They know who they are.
 
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This is from an Athletic article today:

"We caught up with the chairman this week to discuss some pertinent issues (and nominate ourselves for future committee membership … still waiting to hear back on that one).

How about the notion that certain leagues, like the Big 12, have gamed the system by playing soft nonconference schedules and then simply racking up quality wins against one another? Iowa State, for example, played the No. 323 nonconference schedule per the NET, yet had five Quad 1 wins before the reveal. (The Cyclones added another Saturday against Texas Tech before losing to Houston on Monday.) They were awarded an early No. 3 seed by the committee, 12th overall.

“We spend a significant amount of time discussing this exact topic,” McClelland said. “It’s always good for the game to play good nonconference schedules. If teams are going to play a weak nonconference schedule, it makes it critically important for them to do well in their league games. Even in the loss at Houston, it was a hard-fought game, and I think the nation could see, even if they watched just that one game and not the entirety of the season like we do, that Iowa State is a very good team and certainly deserving of the seed we gave them. But if you do play a weak nonconference schedule and then you get into the league and don’t win those games against the best teams and are just kind of floating there at let’s say 9-9 … just because you have a tremendous amount of wins doesn’t necessarily guarantee you a way into the tournament.”

Look at how different sports and leagues get treated with this type of thinking.

No one, NO ONE, says anything about the SEC playing less conference games in football or that they schedule 4 cupcakes (1 in November) even though it’s been happening for years. Yet, the Big 12 has been dragged all year long for it this year. Pregame shows mention it, halftimes shows mention it, articles are written weekly about it. It’s incredible how the Big 12 gets treated even when they are the powerhouse conference.
 
Definitely Baylor. I don't see Houston losing again after that. If Baylor had won at BYU, I might have been slightly more undecided on that, but I think Baylor winning is pretty critical for our chances to win the title.

It's this. We need Baylor to do their part for our conference championship.
 

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