It is when you have to play two games in two day period. It helps to have a 7-man rotation.
Bracketology 2024
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Its very reasonable to think KU should be ahead of ISU based on the non conference
Its very reasonable to think ISU should be ahead of KU based on big 12 play
Maybe just agree to disagree
Its very reasonable to think ISU should be ahead of KU based on big 12 play
Maybe just agree to disagree
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Kansas has a great starting 5 and nothing after that. They're not built for the long Big 12 season, but I would not count them out in a six game tournament over 3 weeks. They have enough to make quite a bit of noise, and have shown they can compete with the best of the best this season.
Be careful when talking about "experts". Many of these "experts" are media based, meaning they have some financial persuasion. In other words, some media members will talk and write about a certain team, especially the "blue bloods" in a positive manner because they know there will be a larger volume of people reading/listening to them. These "experts" are simply telling their audience what they want to hear.
That's the primary reason many steer away from what these "experts" have to say and instead look at the analytics. I personally would rather form my own opinion by reviewing data vs having someone tell me what I should believe
That's completely ridiculous. I guarantee you teams with higher overall individual player ratings are better in general and the elite teams will all have extremel high player rankings also.
Take Houston vs West Virginia for example, best team in Big 12 versus the worst. Here are the individual player ratings for the top 5 players
Houston
4.4
4.4
3.5
3.3
1.9
West Virginia
3.5
2.9
2.3
2.2
1.1
If you add them up it's a 17.5 to 12 difference. I'd be willing to bet if you did this for the entire conference it would look really similar to the standings. Teams like UCF, West Virginia, and OSU will be towards the bottom.
And how well do those 5 players play together? Do they defend well as a group? Do they rotate defensively well? Do they rebound as a group well? That's the entire point. We have team metrics available, which have already been provided to you
Cubs, Iowa, now KansasThat's completely ridiculous. I guarantee you teams with higher overall individual player ratings are better in general and the elite teams will all have extremel high player rankings also.
Take Houston vs West Virginia for example, best team in Big 12 versus the worst. Here are the individual player ratings for the top 5 players
Houston
4.4
4.4
3.5
3.3
1.9
West Virginia
3.5
2.9
2.3I
2.2
1.1
If you add them up it's a 17.5 to 12 difference. I'd be willing to bet if you did this for the entire conference it would look really similar to the standings. Teams like UCF, West Virginia, and OSU will be towards the bottom.
are you ZRF?
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Ugh. It'll be chaotic, and a ******* blue blood will win it again. Chaotic, yet somehow predictable.
Talking heads are only there for 2 reasons:
1) say simple stuff that people can understand and nod their heads, and feel smart
2) say obnoxious things to wind people up so they get emotional and engaged
Looks like it's working...
That's why it is so great. You get chaos and upsets, yet still a deserving team wins it all.
There's probably 4-8 teams that COULD win it, but most of them will get whacked en route.
I'd put AZ, UH, UConn, UNC, and maybe Marquette, Duke, and ISU on the list. One of those will be the champ.
Well, in my example I'd say pretty well together. They have on of the best defenses in the last decade.
I'm sorry, I cant take any graphic seriously that thinks Purdue has an elite starting lineup when all I've heard in this site all year is how bad the Big 10 is, how they are just Edey and a bunch of scrubs, how they need better guards to win in March, how they will likely get bounced again in the first round, how we hope we are the 2 seed in their bracket, etc.
You guys always want it both ways.
Good God!! All your analytical examples are laughable. Who's coaching staff are you on by the way? Next you will be doing player rankings based on what color shoes they are wearing, arena lighting, indoor temp, crowd noise, etc. Quit trying to pat yourself on the back on your analytics and thinking everything you post on here is what we should all agree on. Are you also: 1776? 2076? Chad? Neck Beard? etc. Take your pick as you fit all of them. Just stop!
1) You haven't provided any analytics to illustrate how well the Kansas starting 5 plays as a group. You are only forming an opinion based on what "experts" are saying and your own opinion based on each individual player, not as a group.
2) How the team performed last year or any previous years does not mean the current starting five lineup will have the same success. The entire discussion has been about this year's best starting lineups, not which team has the best overall lineups for the last decade.
3) I personally have never made any reference to Purdue, Edey, or made any opinions about how far will Purdue advance this in the tournament. The analytics indicate Purdue has one of the best starting lineups. But depth is another factor to consider for the NCAA tournament. The NCAA tournament is also about matchups. Some teams simply don't have the same success against a certain style of play. Will Purdue make a big run this year in the tournament? Possibly. I would have to see the bracket matchups first. Will Iowa State make a big run in the tournament? Possibly. I would have to see the bracket matchups first
I personally think Kansas makes a run in the dance to the Elite 8, but their starting 5 has to play well essentially every game to do so. No, you don't need a deep bench but the fact of the matter is that Kansas doesn't really have a truly capable 6 or 7 option either. If Dickinson or McCullar is off, Kansas is essentially screwed.
As an aside, Seth Greenberg on Monday night is the only "expert" I've heard saying that about KU.
Another factor that is relevant to Purdue is "how good are you if something happens (injury/foul trouble) to your best player?". I would imagine that Purdue and other teams centered around one guy would struggle more than others.
Edey could take a direct hit from an RPG and still lumber up and down the court and score 20.
The key to Purdue is always their guards. The Greeks knew it. The Carthaginians knew it. And now YOU know it too...
My example was Houston not Kansas. You might not have said anything personally about Purdue but there are definitely people posting here who have.
On that graphic it also shows that Yale lineup being better than Kansas. That can't be taken seriously.
You guys thought my Princeton example was funny but it turns right around and uses Yale as an example of playing smart, fundamental, team basketball. Lol.
Like I said, there are other factors to consider when reviewing the analytics, such as strength of schedule. However, the analytics are a much better starting point than simply looking at the group of players arbitrarily.