Agree with a lot of what you said except a couple things. I don't think the big stage excuse really works for Iowa in this one. Besides having the best player on the field by far, Stanford looked faster and more athletic at almost every position on the field. Iowa didn't manage to do anything until a bad snap led to a field goal, and two meaningless 4th quarter td's came after Stanford lost interest and started subbing. Iowa has now lost 4 bowls in a row, 3 in humiliating fashion with the games over early. I just think their weak schedule leads to a deceptive record and gets them into bowl games over their heads, especially since the Big 10 went to two divisions and Iowa in the weaker division. I agree the Big 12 needs to get its act together, the last few bowl seasons haven't been good. But I do think key injuries this year prevented Baylor and TCU from being right there for the play-offs. Injuries are part of the game but rarely can a team can lose a great qb and recover completely. Look at Oregon.
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Agree with a lot of what you said except a couple things. I don't think the big stage excuse really works for Iowa in this one. Besides having the best player on the field by far, Stanford looked faster and more athletic at almost every position on the field. Iowa didn't manage to do anything until a bad snap led to a field goal, and two meaningless 4th quarter td's came after Stanford lost interest and started subbing. Iowa has now lost 4 bowls in a row, 3 in humiliating fashion with the games over early. I just think their weak schedule leads to a deceptive record and gets them into bowl games over their heads, especially since the Big 10 went to two divisions and Iowa in the weaker division. I agree the Big 12 needs to get its act together, the last few bowl seasons haven't been good. But I do think key injuries this year prevented Baylor and TCU from being right there for the play-offs. Injuries are part of the game but rarely can a team can lose a great qb and recover completely. Look at Oregon.
And clearly TCU and Baylor were both hurt with injuries this year. I would agree that both teams would have been elite had they not lost key players mid season. Instead they did lose those players and both teams ended up quite a ways away from elite, in my personal opinion.
I haven't said the Big 12 was awesome in bowls. I've mainly been pointing out how ridiculously overrated the Big 10 is and trolls like you surfaced to refute that.
The SEC looked great. Outside of that each of the other 4 P5 conferences had 1-2 teams represent well and a lot of others exposed.
You started a thread about embarrassment. 3 top 13 ranked teams getting blown out is where the conversation starts if you want to have threads about embarrassing bowl seasons. The only Big 12 teams ranked as high as NW and Iowa handled themselves drastically better than the 3 Big Ten pretenders who were a media/committee fabrication.
All-time? Sure- keep living in the 50's. Sorry Section, but around the country the BIG is synonymous with bad. It has long been known as a dying brand of football, and expanding with Rutgers and NU is exactly helping that. If you are going to be so insecure about that fact, you may want to spend less time on CF, but i doubt your little bro like need for approval will allow that.
I fully admit I started the thread prematurely. I never once refuted that the Big 10 is overrated, they **** the bed just as much as the Big 12 this year in bowl games. Neither team has a team playing for the National Championship so really all of this is irrelevant, winning the Championship is the most important game. My argument with you is your definition of what makes a team "elite" and you failed to explain your definition of "elite"
So I digress
All-time? Sure- keep living in the 50's. Sorry Section, but around the country the BIG is synonymous with bad. It has long been known as a dying brand of football, and expanding with Rutgers and NU is exactly helping that. If you are going to be so insecure about that fact, you may want to spend less time on CF, but i doubt your little bro like need for approval will allow that.
They struck gold that they landed two amazing coaches in Meyer and Harbaugh. Outside of that the trend was really bad and they added Maryland and Rutgers to further weight the conference. We saw the result of Maryland Rutgers this year in that it helped their teams achieve fantasy based rankings only to have a reality sandwich served in bowls.
You didn't even understand the premise of my post. Whatever number of elite teams the Big 12 has, the Big Ten/ACC/SEC needs 40% more to be equal. That's irrefutable, I was surprised anyone would take issue with it.
All-time? Sure- keep living in the 50's. Sorry Section, but around the country the BIG is synonymous with bad. It has long been known as a dying brand of football, and expanding with Rutgers and NU is exactly helping that. If you are going to be so insecure about that fact, you may want to spend less time on CF, but i doubt your little bro like need for approval will allow that.
Quit living in the 50's huh? If you think your point is made from stats from only 10 years then okay.
It's not about the Big 10 and Big 12, the Big 12 and only the Big 12 that's all i'm talking about here and they under performed this bowl season and didn't win as many games as I had hoped.
I fully understand your premise man and I get what you're saying completely. The Big 10 and SEC need to have 4-5 elite teams to equal the Big 12 who only has 10 teams. I'm asking what you use to qualify that a team to have the title, "elite"
I would argue the only "Elite" team in college football is Alabama and the rest are drastically behind.
This thread really didn't have to go this route, everyone has different opinions about every team in the country. I was simply disappointed at the start to the Bowl season for the Big 12.
This thread really didn't have to go this route, everyone has different opinions about every team in the country. I was simply disappointed at the start to the Bowl season for the Big 12.
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I never once said who is and isn't elite. You went off in a psycho way about it.
There's no definitive way to tell but I know Oklahoma, TCU, Baylor, Ohio State and Michigan will all have top 15 level computer metrics at the end of the season. Iowa, Northwestern, Michigan State and Oklahoma State won't necessarily, although OK State wasn't ranked as high as those B10 pretenders by the committee anyway.
I know you didn't say who was or was not elite, I wanted you to share what you thought made a team elite and the post above explains that, thanks.
Elite would probably mean a team capable of winning the national title, but then injuries prevented Baylor and TCU from being elite at the end of the year imo, and Ohio State had a one game hiccup to cost them. But I'm all for an 8 team play-off as I think most people thought Ohio State was really the best team in the Big 10, and hawk fans might think Stanford worthy of the play-offs. TCU and Baylor being left out last year was also a travesty that would have been prevented with 8 teams. Ohio State and TCU would likely have been the true national championship. Would also keep this silly play-off committee from having so much influence as to who wins the national title with more teams eligible. They also need to pay a lot more attention to the segarin rankings, which had the big ten's ranked teams pegged almost perfectly as demonstrated by the bowl results. And though it's been a rough few years for the big 12 lately, we're still 15-5 against the Big 10 during the last decade.
Let's wait and see how Alabama does against an up tempo high octane offense like Clemson before we anoint them as the only elite team. Two years ago they didn't fare too well against Oklahoma's up tempo offense. The play-off committee led by Osborne and Alvarez I assume, did a good job of making sure their favorite teams didn't have to face any high octane offenses with very athletic dual threat qb's. Alabama faced a pretty good one with Ole Miss and now they will see another one, so we'll see how it goes.
Agree with all of this. The gray area for me is that a 1 loss Alabama team repeatedly will move ahead of a 1 loss Ohio State, 1 loss Baylor or TCU. Teams like TCU and Baylor are at a disadvantage because of not having a conference championship game so that 1 loss hurts even worse. Now most of the time Alabama is the better team but sooner or later if they don't change it to 8 teams soon that's going to happen. Just hope Clemson can knock them off in NC, just doubt it will happen.
I'm with ya. Would still like to see the Big 12 add 2 and go to divisions. Depending on who's added it might be a little difficult working out the divisions based on geography, but I'm sure it could be done.