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Big 12 considering adding ACC teams..to 16

HFCS said:
I don't think ND to ACC makes sense at all.

Why would they be an exact conference equal with NC State when they could have a Texas type setup or share a bigger pie with less pieces in the Big Ten. It contradicts everything we know about their ego.

It's the fourth most logical place for their football behind Ind, Big Ten and Big 12.
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Your statement doesn't make sense. ND said last summer that if they did join a conference because the Big East collapsed, it would be the ACC. Why do you believe that Notre Dame could be the big dog in the Big 10? I doubt that Ohio State and Michigan would roll over and surrender their control of the conference to Notre Dame.
 
In a perfect world it might be fine for ISU to stay in a 10 or 12 team conference, but with the trends in college football I think it is good for ISU if the league goes to 14 or 16 just because it should create future security for the league. Lets face it, if the trend continues and UT & OU went elsewhere ISU is in trouble to find a major conference on our own.

I have said for some time FSU (especially) & Clemson were targets the Big 12 should go after. Yes the ACC seemed more secure, but their contract yields the school peanuts and these are two schools that are football first schools in a basketball driven league. If the SEC doesn't want FSU, I don't think FSU could turn the Big 12 down due to the increase in revenue and FSU would certainly pull their weight financially for the Big 12. Big 12>>>>>ACC

ND seems a stretch, but who knows. I don't believe the current ACC is a good league for them, why do they want to go play in a bunch of half-empty stadiums a lot of the time. But maybe by bringing some schools from different areas it allows them to continue their "national" feel. I still think the Big 10 would be a better choice for them but if the Big 12 could snag them props to the Big 12 but I wouldn't count on it.
 
ND would probably join the ACC if it had to. Most of their fan base is East Coast and it would not be too difficult to win it all every year. They do like the Big XII tier options though. A lot of their current FB options are B10.......so who know, but ACC would be my guess.
While some WV fans also think this report is far-fetched, it does have legs according to a couple folks in the know. I too like 10 and playing everyone and hope we only add if it is truly an worthy opponent. The one thing that is important is FSU, as mentioned earlier in this tread, put together an exploratory committee for conference options. What does not get too much mention is that when the ACC upped their exit fees to about 20 million, FSU balked and was allowed to keep their old exit fee, which is MUCH lower. They may not have one foot out the door, but they are peeking at whats under the curtain in Door #2.
Make no mistake that FSU is a worthy opponent and a FB school first. As mentioned earlier, ESPN & Fox are driving the boat and schools are just chasing the almighty dollar.
 
My guess is if the bigxii gets serious about fsu and clemson that the sec will have a change of heart and invite them. Duplicating states in their footprint <<<< allowing the bigxii a footprint in their territory.
 
agrabes said:
Your statement doesn't make sense. ND said last summer that if they did join a conference because the Big East collapsed, it would be the ACC. Why do you believe that Notre Dame could be the big dog in the Big 10? I doubt that Ohio State and Michigan would roll over and surrender their control of the conference to Notre Dame.
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I realize you may not be a Bulls or NBA fan, but Rip Hamilton said the Bulls were his 4th option during his free agency.

They were the best fit for him and the best fit for the Bulls and he eventually signed like everyone knew he would. It didn't do Rip any good to say the Bulls are his first option during negotiations and it doesn't do Notre Dame any good to say the Big Ten would be their first option if forced to join a conference in football. Standard stuff.

I'll be shocked if ND joins a conference and it's the ACC. Ten years from now I'd say Big Ten and independent are most likely, followed by very unlikely chance of joining an expanded more national Big 12, followed by an even less likely chance of joining the ACC.

I'm not talking about Ohio State and Mich surrendering anything they haven't already done. The Big Ten and the ACC both have equal revenue sharing models. If ND is going to equally share conference revenue, why would they take a smaller piece of a smaller pie among more ACC members, when they could take a larger piece of a larger pie among fewer Big Ten members?

If they join a conference with equal revenue sharing, that conference being anyone but the Big Ten isn't really logical in any way. The reason the Big 12 has a shot and ACC doesn't is that the Big 12 will let them roll Longhorn style and the Big Ten has more to offer in every single way in an equal revenue situation than the ACC does.
 
State43 said:
It would be nice to add Louisville, Notre Dame, Boston College, Pitt, Florida State and Clemson.
Have 4 Pods and 2 divisions that play all teams in the pod, 2 protected rivalries outside pod, and and 1 game from each other pod. At the end of the season, the top team in the north and south division play in the CCG. Maybe something like this:

NORTH
Pod1:
ISU
KSU
KU
UL
Pod2:
WVU
BC
Pitt
ND

SOUTH
Pod3:
OU
OSU
UT
TTech
Pod4:
FSU
Clem
TCU
BU

I know some of this doesn't quite pass the smell test but I could work with something like this. Would be cool to mix up the schedule every year or every other year.
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IF we go to 16, and I hope we don't, I actually like that scenario. We would at least get to play KU, KSU and a somewhat closeby Louisville. I've seen other B12 to 16 scenarios where we get stuck in a pod with WVA, Louisville, and some other eastern schools with KU, KSU, OU, and OSU in their own pod. That would suck for travel to a lot of games.

I really want to push to 12 with some big names and then stop. 12 teams has a certain symetry to it. 14 will probably end up being hard to deal with for the SEC in the future and 16 will be a nightmare for anyone.
 
alarson said:
I much prefer 12... and thinking about it i think i'd almost rather stay at 10 than go to 16.
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I can't imagine 16 team conferences and actually calling it a conference. I really like the 10 team league as well. The big problem is our lack of TV sets. Other than Texas, everyone else is a relatively small market team. If it looks like 16 is the number, then I say we ge there sooner than later. I really hate the idea of 16 teams, but I like it better than being left out of AQ status. If the Big XII stays at 10 for long, eventually there won't be a Big XII.
 
I don't believe the Big 12 will stay at 10, period. It will be 12,14 or 16, but it will be proactive in the future. The chaos may start again, but the Big 12 will be in the middle instead of the outside looking in. As i said, BYU will be desperate to get in the conference and will have hat in hand. And the Big East leftovers as well. So it make sense for those in the ACC to also look ahead.
 
We don't even have a Commissioner yet unless I missed something. It will be more clear after the Big 12 has a leader as to what direction we will go. As long as we are in a stable major conference I will be happy.
 
State43 said:
It would be nice to add Louisville, Notre Dame, Boston College, Pitt, Florida State and Clemson.
Have 4 Pods and 2 divisions that play all teams in the pod, 2 protected rivalries outside pod, and and 1 game from each other pod. At the end of the season, the top team in the north and south division play in the CCG. Maybe something like this:

NORTH
Pod1:
ISU
KSU
KU
UL
Pod2:
WVU
BC
Pitt
ND

SOUTH
Pod3:
OU
OSU
UT
TTech
Pod4:
FSU
Clem
TCU
BU

I know some of this doesn't quite pass the smell test but I could work with something like this. Would be cool to mix up the schedule every year or every other year.
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While I like the idea of pods within a division, unless you would make an actual 4 team conference championship playoff I can only imagine the complaining that would go on. In your pods above, imagine if Texas and Florida St both go undefeated in the conference and don't play each other. How do you come up with a way to send one of those teams to the conference championship game and leave one undefeated team at home?
 
CycloneJames said:
While I like the idea of pods within a division, unless you would make an actual 4 team conference championship playoff I can only imagine the complaining that would go on. In your pods above, imagine if Texas and Florida St both go undefeated in the conference and don't play each other. How do you come up with a way to send one of those teams to the conference championship game and leave one undefeated team at home?
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It's the exact reason that 16 teams makes a terrible conference. I don't understand the rush to 16. It just doesn't play out well, unless you only play teams in your division, then the championship game. At that point, what's the point of having all the teams in one conference? It just reduces the amount of teams available to play in a bowl game, imo.

I hate tie breakers deciding who the winner is. Conference semi-final would be the way to go, but then what about the years you don't need them, when UT did play FSU and won, but that was FSU's only loss? Is it fair to make Texas play them again? Ugh, money is ruining colelge football. I love the 10 team set up.
 
ketelmeister said:
Sources are reporting that football schools in the ACC have contacted the Big 12 about possible affiliation, and the Big 12 is interested.
Here are possible additions to get to 16.

Option 1: Notre Dame (would come along with rivals included), Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State

Option 2: Pitt, BC, Maryland, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech

TV will drive this, and with bidding coming soon, this is a package the networks would drool over. This would put the Big 12 in a position to compete as the elite conference with the SEC.

Here is the link:
Big 12 to Target ACC | January
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Kiss the Iowa game good bye if this falls into place.
 
CycloneJames said:
While I like the idea of pods within a division, unless you would make an actual 4 team conference championship playoff I can only imagine the complaining that would go on. In your pods above, imagine if Texas and Florida St both go undefeated in the conference and don't play each other. How do you come up with a way to send one of those teams to the conference championship game and leave one undefeated team at home?
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I agree 100% but that is about the only way that would work. If you split the conference into just 2 divisions, you will play each other in the division once with 2 OC games which would be fine too, but there would be teams that will not be happy not getting to play certain other teams every year. Not to mention one division would be insanely competitive while the other would be far easier.
North:
ISU
KSU
NDame
KU
UL
WVU
Pitt
BC

South:
UT
TTech
BU
TCU
FSU
Clemson
OU
OSU

OR
East:
Pitt
Notre Dame
BC
ISU
FSU
Clemson
UL
WVU

West:
UT
OU
OSU
KU
KSU
TCU
BU
TTech

Much more even this way...
 
State43 said:
I agree 100% but that is about the only way that would work. If you split the conference into just 2 divisions, you will play each other in the division once with 2 OC games which would be fine too, but there would be teams that will not be happy not getting to play certain other teams every year. Not to mention one division would be insanely competitive while the other would be far easier.
North:
ISU
KSU
NDame
KU
UL
WVU
Pitt
BC

South:
UT
TTech
BU
TCU
FSU
Clemson
OU
OSU

OR
East:
Pitt
Notre Dame
BC
ISU
FSU
Clemson
UL
WVU

West:
UT
OU
OSU
KU
KSU
TCU
BU
TTech

Much more even this way...
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That East/West split keeps everybody in the old Big 12 together except for I-State.
 
No, no....don't let that stop anyone. This is just positive mental posturing. You know....The Secret....
 
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