UConn won't even take the phone call if it's basketball only. The only way moving makes any sense for them is if it gives football stability.
Big 12 Conference Realignment
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It's all about what the TV folks are willing to pay for. At this point, ESPN/FOX aren't willing to pay $32M each for WSU &OSU.
If ESPN/FOX are willing to pay for elite basketball schools that could be incremental $ for existing 16 schools.
I feel we will end up 4 or 6 team scheduling pods to play rivals 2x a season and others 1x. Also once we see 18+ team conferences- I don't see the need to play everyone.
I hated this idea when it first came up. Now that we have secure all of the 4 corners schools I see even less reason to do this deal now.
I agree with the prior post suggesting we keep our powder dry until we see what happens with the ACC. Seems like there is a good chance of a few schools there with top tier hoops who will be looking for a better home if the B1G and SEC decide to pick off a couple of the football schools.
Gonzaga will always be there later.
I agree with the prior post suggesting we keep our powder dry until we see what happens with the ACC. Seems like there is a good chance of a few schools there with top tier hoops who will be looking for a better home if the B1G and SEC decide to pick off a couple of the football schools.
Gonzaga will always be there later.
WSU amd Oregon state have no chance at big 12. When relaible sources speak to Big 12 legacy ADs they say no, it isnt even a thought.
1. Big 12 needs to stabilize and build relations with its 6 new members.
2. WSU and Ore. State add nothing.
3. the "hateful eight" will not allow a PAC voting block of 6 teams that could derail a lot of things.
4. WVU, UCF, and Cinn. will vote no for travel reasons, and unlike the ACC, the big 12 wont force Ore state and Wash state down three members throats. If it was notre dame or someone, yes they would. but there wont be any infighting over 2 teams no one wants.
1. Big 12 needs to stabilize and build relations with its 6 new members.
2. WSU and Ore. State add nothing.
3. the "hateful eight" will not allow a PAC voting block of 6 teams that could derail a lot of things.
4. WVU, UCF, and Cinn. will vote no for travel reasons, and unlike the ACC, the big 12 wont force Ore state and Wash state down three members throats. If it was notre dame or someone, yes they would. but there wont be any infighting over 2 teams no one wants.
Agreed. Wish the talk of OSU/WSU would go away. Not sure how many times the conference's own sources need to shut that down in order to get it through people's heads.
Sure, I feel bad for those schools, but let's not let emotions get in the way of business. The networks who write our checks said no. That's all that matters.
IMO "never say never" probably applies to WSU and OSU to Big12.
Further Big12 football expansion waits until the ACC implodes or 2030ish when the Big12 negotiates its next TV deal.
WSU and OSU to Big12 only makes sense if the TV Networks pay the market rate. And they have a considerable responsibility to keep their main sports as highly competitive and grow fan interest.
Also, who knows what the Big 10 and SEC final # of teams. If it's 20-24 teams, it could mean the Big12 isn't done being raided. So the Big12 might eventually look to add football teams from other than the ACC.
OSU and WSU are not joining the Big12, unless some very specific and unusual circumstance arises.
Like, maybe if the ACC broke up and the P2 took 8 of them. And the Big12 added the other 6 ACC teams but just HAD to have 24 for some reason, and just no one else was available. But even then, maybe a G5 like Memphis would be a better choice.
The odds of OSU/WSU joining in the next say 10 years has to be like 1%.
Like, maybe if the ACC broke up and the P2 took 8 of them. And the Big12 added the other 6 ACC teams but just HAD to have 24 for some reason, and just no one else was available. But even then, maybe a G5 like Memphis would be a better choice.
The odds of OSU/WSU joining in the next say 10 years has to be like 1%.
Washington State would be the 4th most-watched school in the new Big 12. And damn are the new additions dogs outside BYU and Utah.
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After the **** show of the football season on the Big 12, this play seems pretty straightforward.
Our (Big 12) brand may not sniff the SEC and B1G, but we’re going to dominate the basketball scene
Our (Big 12) brand may not sniff the SEC and B1G, but we’re going to dominate the basketball scene
Washington State would be the 4th most-watched school in the new Big 12. And damn are the new additions dogs outside BYU and Utah.
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Better check 2023 ratings, ever heard of a guy called Prime?
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KidSilverhair
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I keep saying the media partners shouldn't like it one bit if this happens. They'll never know what they're getting. No cost certainty.
Schools holding their hands out for more after signing an agreement. This is Armageddon for college sports.
Adding the last 4 schools to the conference cost ISU about $6 million per year for the next 7 years. They can't keep adding teams that take expected money off the table and hope to just catch up at some point down the road.
Whoa what’s your source on that? McMurphy said the per team payout would remain the same. I’m not premium, but Chris indicated teams would have to take a haircut in a tweet, but I took that as like a mil or two per year.
-$6M is almost a 20% drop from $31.7M per year. That is a lot!
Pollard said it today when taking about adding Gonzaga on Murph and Andy and on the coaches show tonight.
Starts at the 38 mark.
ISU AD Jamie Pollard Stops By, Plus MLB Playoffs and More - Tuesday Hour 2 - Murph and Andy | iHeart
ISU AD Jamie Pollard Stops By, Plus MLB Playoffs and More - Tuesday Hour 2
my understanding is ESPN agreed to pay for 4 pac teams, but fox would only pay for 2.
espn was like 21 mil per team, fox like 12.
to pay the extra 2 equal money as the rest, the 14 teams had to agree to eat 24 mil.
comes out to less than 2 mil per team.
IMHO we shouldve left arz state and utah hanging in the wind, or gave tham a 21 million take it or leave it offer.
espn was like 21 mil per team, fox like 12.
to pay the extra 2 equal money as the rest, the 14 teams had to agree to eat 24 mil.
comes out to less than 2 mil per team.
IMHO we shouldve left arz state and utah hanging in the wind, or gave tham a 21 million take it or leave it offer.
While I like this idea of sticking it to ASU and Utah a bit, I think in hindsight we did the right thing. Seeing that the ACC went out and got Stanford and Cal, perhaps they could have also scored ASU and Utah if the B12 had played hardball.
Our goal was to kill the P12 and also position ourselves as the clear number 3 behind the B1G and SEC. Letting those schools slip off to the ACC over a few million bucks gives the ACC a much better shot of being number 3 when the next round of realignment starts up as they near the end of their GOR.
Being number 3 is especially vital to ISU, because the number 4 league will eventually go the way of the Pac. If the B12 is the one that dies, we join WSU and Oregon State in the MWC. Simple as that. We have to be number 3 at any cost.
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Ouch $6M per year makes it a harder decision than I thought in retrospect. That said, I still think I would have taken them as they provide more stability and competitive strength for the conference . They could potentially make that up in CFP or NCAA tourney units.
Curious, why do you think 4 Power leagues isn’t sustainable but 3 is?