I don't know either, makes no sense. You would think the FCS would have more of a problem with the extra games since their powerhouse teams have actual student athletes playing for them.
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I don't know either, makes no sense. You would think the FCS would have more of a problem with the extra games since their powerhouse teams have actual student athletes playing for them.
Absolutely. There was nothing better than waking up on 1/1 and watching the Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl. They need to have all the BCS games, including the nat'l championship on 1/1.
He wasn't using the transitive property. He's saying Utah is undefeated and comparing common opponents to other top 5 teams. That's a legitimate argument. How else do you compare to similar teams that never play on the field?
Utah beating Oregon State who beat USC does NOT make Utah a better team that USC. The answer to your question is that you can't compare them until they go on the field against each other. Since Utah beat Alabama by 14 and Florida beat Alabama by 11, does that mean Utah beats Florida by 3?
Iowa State lost by 11 to Kansas last year. Does that mean Iowa State would've beat North Carolina last year by a point because Kansas beat them by 12? Comparing common opponents does nothing in either case.
Ok, that I messed up. However, the fact still remains they didn't prove they could go on the road and beat any decent teams. Their schedule helped them immensely. At least a couple years down the road we'll be able to end their undefeated season right off the bat
If you want to get into that "well they didn't beat anyone on the road" argument, then let's do that.
Who did Florida really beat on the road? #6 Georgia? That was a neutral site in Jacksonville - not truly a road game. #20 Florida State? Florida outclassed them and you darn well know it. That's just about it.
What about Oklahoma? The only credible game they played on the road this season was at #12 OSU, and they stomped them. That's it.
Texas? The only credible game they played on the road was at #7 Texas Tech, and we all know how that one turned out.
I just find it ironic that people will go to any length to dismiss the season that Utah had by saying they didn't play anyone on the road without doing the research to see if the teams that they believe are the best did the same thing or not.
To me you're just one of those guys that's never going to give a team like Utah the credit it deserves and will continue to downplay its accomplishments simply because they play in a conference that you yourself believes isn't as good as any other in America (forgetting that conference basically moped up the Pac 10 earlier this year, one of those conferences you probably assume is better than the MWC).
I'm not downplaying their accomplishments at all. I'm simply saying that handing them the National Title is outrageous just because they're undefeated. I did check and see if Florida played anyone on the road, and by God they stomped Florida State in Tallahassee. That's one more win on the road against a team with a good record than Utah had. I'm not saying Utah is a bad team by any means, but to claim that they are the National Champions over Oklahoma, Texas, USC, or Florida is ridiculous. Was Boise State the Champion when they beat Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? Nope, and they were undefeated.
I'm not saying hand them the championship either. I'm just saying that a lot of people downplay their season simply because they don't play in a traditional conference. That's BS.
I think they should turn over the Big 10 BCS spots to the Mountain West or WAC as it appears the Big 10 can't play it's way out of a wet paper bag.:wink:
The national title only exists for the team who wins it.
And it's not what that current has done. It's what that current team has done plus the previous 20 teams to take the field for that university.
As far as I can tell tradition counts as 2 wins.
And it's not what that current has done. It's what that current team has done plus the previous 20 teams to take the field for that university.
As far as I can tell tradition counts as 2 wins.
Yes you are downplaying their accomplishments if you suggest that it is outrageous for them to be considered for the national title.
Alabama cruised through most of their season with a strength of schedule that was actually weaker than Utah's. But they were ranked number one for a number of weeks because they were undefeated AND because they are a member of the Southeastern Conference. Nevermind that the cream of the Southeastern Conference are in the other division. Now that is what I consider outrageous to rank Alabama number one and to rank Utah whatever they were ranked at that time.
Considered = fine. The one poster (I'm too lazy to find the post) wanted to hand them the National Title. I do have an issue with that.
I don't think anyone was saying that. It's just an opinion. It's a fair argument to make that Utah finished undefeated, played in a conference that was 5-0 against the conference USC plays in, and beat the one opponent that beat USC. I don't know that USC's schedule was that much tougher (if at all) than Utah's this season. Unfortunately the only way to tell would be for the two teams to play on a neutral field, but you can't dismiss this argument.
I'm so disappointed i missed the Sugar Bowl. I was wasting my time watching my former high school get worked over by Urbandale. Well guys at least.
With all of this USC-national title talk...I would argue that Utah had more quality wins than USC did.
What else is Utah supposed to do?
What else is Utah supposed to do?
True story.
and for what else, schedule Iowa State to boost their difficulty of schedule :wink:
What an awesome recruiting tool.
"Son, if you come play for us your best will never be enough. We've proven that."
"Son, if you come play for us your best will never be enough. We've proven that."
I doubt it will ever happen but I've always been pulling for BYU and Utah to join the Pac 10. Works with the basketball schedule, gives them 12 teams for football to have a conference championship game, can evenly divide the Divisions into 4 CA schools, 2 AZ schools in the Pacific and Oregons/Washington/Utahs in the Mountain division.
The one hold up is that both the basketball and football have the advantage of having a true balanced schedule. Football plays 3 non conf and every conf opponent once and hoops plays everyone twice for 18 conf games. Tough for them to get away from the neat and pretty of that.