Another recruiting MISS

[dbronco7sc]

No I'm not in that boat, and there's no way any reasonable person would come to that conclusion reading what I posted.

I would think telling a recruit's parent about our poor winning percentage and bringing up every negative thing you mentioned in your post would definately look like an attempt to pursuade the recruit that coming to ISU is a bad idea. And such an act would be an attempt to not get recruits that could help improve our program. And choosing to not help improve our program with new recruits seems like tanking on purpose. And tanking on purpose seems like a method to get rid of Mac.

Hopefully I can still be considered a reasonable person. I may be incorrect... but I definately used reasoning to come to my estimated guess.

Edit: I can accept that my wording of 'horribly as possible' is an exaggeration. I guess I should have just said, "tank next season so that our coach gets fired'.

And to define how I'm using the word, "Tank"... I am stating "purposely trying not to improve our program next year".

 

[Clonefan32]

I would think telling a recruit's parent about our poor winning percentage and bringing up every negative thing you mentioned in your post would definately look like an attempt to pursuade the recruit that coming to ISU is a bad idea. And such an act would be an attempt to not get recruits that could help improve our program. And choosing to not help improve our program with new recruits seems like tanking on purpose. And tanking on purpose seems like a method to get rid of Mac.

Hopefully I can still be considered a reasonable person. I may be incorrect... but I definately used reasoning to come to my estimated guess.

This is the biggest decision this kid will make up to that point in their life... you don't think they will do more research than an online message board? Any dutiful research will show that Mac has an awful record, and an awful history of losing players. With those facts in mind, no one should be suprised by outrage amongst fans...

 

[ruxCYtable]

You know, most people posting on here could care less, they just hate McD and JP's guts. They want ISU to fail and fail badly.

Some fans.

Wow. Now I have really heard it all. I've been a Cyclone fan since many of the people on this board were crapping in their diapers. I've invested my share of dollars and blood, sweat and tears in this basketball program. And for expecting more than a .500 season I'm told I want ISU to fail and that I'm the cause of the problem. Unbelievable.

 

[jbhtexas]

You have every right to beleive that what is said on here has little to no effect. But I bet if we made a poll. The number of us who feel that it does hurt ISU to have so many negative comments... I think it would surprise those on the other side of the fense.

And said poll would be completely irrelevant because it is simply states message board user opinion, and does not state verifiable facts as to what really happens.

 

[aeroclone]

I can't believe we have finally come around to blaming the message board. Really? We are really going to blame CF for a recruiting miss? A recruit should be making their decision aout whether they should come here based on the history and future look of the program, and how that lines up with them as a player, as well as their personal and educational goals. If it is the best fit, then sign up.

The posters of this board have to make a similar decision. Based on the history and their view of the future, the fans have to decide if they are on board with this coaching staff or not. Obviously, the vast majority have come to the conclusion of "no". Why should we be shocked when recruits come to the same finding?

The negativity on this board is a direct relationship to the suck McD has put on the court. Hell, halfway through this last season it was sunshine and unicorns and everyone expecting a top 6 Big 12 finish and an NCAA bid. This board has been more than supportive. But after 4 years of no results, followed by mass defection and the promise of 5 years of no results, the hope is lost. He had a chance to do it with the positive internet vibes, and he failed. I'm not going to accept it as an excuse to fail in year 5.

By the way, does Greg get another year tacked onto his contract if he misses on a recruit because the posters on CF said mean things? And yes, this is a serious question.

 

[dbronco7sc]

This is the biggest decision this kid will make up to that point in their life... you don't think they will do more research than an online message board? Any dutiful research will show that Mac has an awful record, and an awful history of losing players. With those facts in mind, no one should be suprised by outrage amongst fans...

How would you go about researching the program?
Talking to our coaches: You know what they're going to say.
Talking to opposing coaches: You know what they will say as well.

I'm gonna guess research on line... to get a good first impression at least.
Google search's first result: CF... hmmm... front page... this program looks like a mess and half of the fans won't even show up next year. THey've promised to not buy tickets as long as they keep their current head coach.

I'd rather have them see the passionate fans... and make them want to at least talk to our coach rather than drive them away before they even get here.

That's just my opinion though. I don't expect it to change yours... and I'm okay with that.

 

[Clonefan32]

I can't believe we have finally come around to blaming the message board. Really? We are really going to blame CF for a recruiting miss? A recruit should be making their decision aout whether they should come here based on the history and future look of the program, and how that lines up with them as a player, as well as their personal and educational goals. If it is the best fit, then sign up.

The posters of this board have to make a similar decision. Based on the history and their view of the future, the fans have to decide if they are on board with this coaching staff or not. Obviously, the vast majority have come to the conclusion of "no". Why should we be shocked when recruits come to the same finding?

The negativity on this board is a direct relationship to the suck McD has put on the court. Hell, halfway through this last season it was sunshine and unicorns and everyone expecting a top 6 Big 12 finish and an NCAA bid. This board has been more than supportive. But after 4 years of no results, followed by mass defection and the promise of 5 years of no results, the hope is lost. He had a chance to do it with the positive internet vibes, and he failed. I'm not going to accept it as an excuse to fail in year 5.

By the way, does Greg get another year tacked onto his contract if he misses on a recruit because the posters on CF said mean things? And yes, this is a serious question.

Yes, it is in his contract, in between the "extra year if his birthday falls on a Tuesday" and the "extra year if the groundhog sees his shadow" clauses.

 

[dbronco7sc]

And said poll would be completely irrelevant because it is simply states message board user opinion, and does not state verifiable facts as to what really happens.

Therefore your opinion that it doesn't affect a recruit is just as valid as mine that it does affect a recuit.

 

[Clonefan32]

How would you go about researching the program?
Talking to our coaches: You know what they're going to say.
Talking to opposing coaches: You know what they will say as well.

I'm gonna guess research on line... to get a good first impression at least.
Google search's first result: CF... hmmm... front page... this program looks like a mess and half of the fans won't even show up next year. THey've promised to not buy tickets as long as they keep their current head coach.

I'd rather have them see the passionate fans... and make them want to at least talk to our coach rather than drive them away before they even get here.

That's just my opinion though. I don't expect it to change yours... and I'm okay with that.

But you're going to stop your research based on what some group of fans thinks about the coach?

I know if I were a recruit, I'd be getting my information from facts. I'd look at the record. I'd look at how many players they put in the NBA. I'd look at the number of players who leave the program. Then, from there, I'd be in contact with future players, or anyone with inside information. Sorry, but if I'm making this big of a decision I don't base it on the opinion of people who are posting under a screen name that generally just express opinion.

 

[djcubby]

Wow, I am truly impressed. There hasn't been this much discussion in a thead on a missed recruit since HB!! :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

 

[chuckd4735]

I can't believe we have finally come around to blaming the message board. Really? We are really going to blame CF for a recruiting miss? A recruit should be making their decision aout whether they should come here based on the history and future look of the program, and how that lines up with them as a player, as well as their personal and educational goals. If it is the best fit, then sign up.

The posters of this board have to make a similar decision. Based on the history and their view of the future, the fans have to decide if they are on board with this coaching staff or not. Obviously, the vast majority have come to the conclusion of "no". Why should we be shocked when recruits come to the same finding?

The negativity on this board is a direct relationship to the suck McD has put on the court. Hell, halfway through this last season it was sunshine and unicorns and everyone expecting a top 6 Big 12 finish and an NCAA bid. This board has been more than supportive. But after 4 years of no results, followed by mass defection and the promise of 5 years of no results, the hope is lost. He had a chance to do it with the positive internet vibes, and he failed. I'm not going to accept it as an excuse to fail in year 5.

By the way, does Greg get another year tacked onto his contract if he misses on a recruit because the posters on CF said mean things? And yes, this is a serious question.

So what you are saying is that the negativity is coming from Greg McDermott's performance as Coach. So if that negativity is in fact hurting recruiting, than it is ultimately still Greg McDermott's fault? Or do we continue the circle of blame?

Maybe Greg's bad coaching is because of his increased property taxes through his years in Ames?

 

[jbhtexas]

I would think telling a recruit's parent about our poor winning percentage and bringing up every negative thing you mentioned in your post would definately look like an attempt to pursuade the recruit that coming to ISU is a bad idea. And such an act would be an attempt to not get recruits that could help improve our program. And choosing to not help improve our program with new recruits seems like tanking on purpose. And tanking on purpose seems like a method to get rid of Mac.

A certain poster made a claim that negative message board posting was definitely a factor that affects a recruit's decision to attend ISU, based on his conversation with one recruit's parents. In order to assess the magnitude of the effect of negative message board posting on a recruit's final decision, the effects of all the other negative items that would affect recruiting (such as the ones I mentioned) would have to be ascertained as well.

In order to assess the validity of said poster's claim, I asked said poster if he inquired about the affect of these other negative things. He didn't. Since said poster did not inquire about the effect of these other negative things, he has no means to determine the significance of negative message board posting relative to other negative aspects surrounding the program, and thus, IMO, his claim that negative message board posing is definitely a factor that affects recruiting because of what this parent told him is bogus.

How you twisted this into me wanting ISU to purposely tank is rather beyond comprehension at this point, other than that you are just looking to pick fights.

 

[Drive4cy]

I don't get it so are people implying that this fan base (fans on this site) are overly negative people? And that's the root of the problem. We aren't suppose to be negative when the program that many of us grew up loving is in the toilet under the current leadership.

This message board is just fine. Gene Chizik was 5-19 and I'd be willing to bet his approval rating on here was still in the 80 percentile. Hardly anyone criticized him and if they did, they were ganged up on and told to pipe down.

Blaming the fans on here is truly a new low. Seriously. This fan base is beyond patient.

 

[Clonefan32]

I will agree that incessant negativity towards players may hurt recruiting and is ridiculous.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I don't get it so are people implying that this fan base (fans on this site) are overly negative people? And that's the root of the problem. We aren't suppose to be negative when the program that many of us grew up loving is in the toilet under the current leadership.

This message board is just fine. Gene Chizik was 5-19 and I'd be willing to bet his approval rating on here was still in the 80 percentile. Hardly anyone criticized him and if they did, they were ganged up on and told to pipe down.

Blaming the fans on here is truly a new low. Seriously. This fan base is beyond patient.

+1 the most patient fans in America.

 

[Cy Hard]

A certain poster made a claim that negative message board posting significantly affects a recruit's decision to attend ISU, based on his conversation with one recruit's parents. In order to assess the magnitude of the effect of negative message board posting on a recruit's final decision, the effects of all the other negative items that would affect recruiting (such as the ones I mentioned) would have to be ascertained as well.

In order to assess the validity of said poster's claim, I asked said poster if he inquired about the affect of these other negative things. He didn't. Since said poster did not inquire about the effect of these other negative things, he has no means to determine the significance of negative message board posting relative to other negative aspects surrounding the program, and thus, IMO, his claim that negative message board posing significantly affect recruit is bogus.

How you twisted this into me wanting ISU to purposely tank is rather beyond comprehension at this point, other than that you are just looking to pick fights.

Talking to 1 recruit's father is 1 more than you did. He also said it was part of other reasons too. And further went on to say that it hurts when a recruit may be teetering between schools. Seems like common sense to me. The only thing bogus is your senility towards it.

 

[Dryburn]

This is so stupid!

Do you GMac supporters not realize that there would be very little negative discussion at all if GMac had not lost for the last 4 years in a row?

Do you realize that there would be very little negative discussion if he had proven he had the ability to coach in the Big 12, especially this last season.....when he had a number of players returning, including one who could have been a first-round draft pick, and a recruit who was selected as the newcomer of the year by Big 12 coaches?

Do you realize that there would be few negative comments if there was not constant player turnover in the program, including players leaving in the middle of the year, and then at the end of the season? And the fact that some of these players apparently even lie as to why they are leaving?

Any of these players that have left.......have any of them ever said that they left because of the fans, or because of what they read on a message board?

WAKE UP! The only reason that there are negative comments on this board are because of Greg McDermott. When are he and his supporters going to man up and stop blaming the failure of the program on everything and everyone except the man in charge? He is the one making the big bucks for the ISU MBB program to be successful, and he has failed miserably.

Many of us on here simply cannot get excited about whoever he recruits any more......because he has not shown us that it makes any difference.......he can't win in the Big 12 with them anyway.

You want to stop the negative posts? THEN WIN!

 

[Cyclonesrule91]

So now I'm supposed to believe that negative attitudes on an unaffiliated message board are costing ISU recruits?

********. Pure unadulterated ********.

NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY is cracking on the kids who bust their ***** for ISU night in & night out.

Unlike during the Floyd years, you don't have ANYONE whining about ISU's style of play. Right now, It doesn't matter if we run Princeton offense or the old Arkansas "40 minutes of hell" offense - the style we play on the court isn't overshadowing our winning record, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A FREAKING WINNING RECORD!

The vast majority of the criticism leveled at the ISU MBB program right now concerns two areas: Player development/retention and coaching ability. These areas are clearly correlated to performance on the court AND the state of our roster. If you think that ISU is performing up to expectations over the last couple of years, then you're either braindead or a member of Coach Mac's immediate family.

Anyone who wants to tell all the Mac critics to shut up for the good of the program might as well be telling me to "shut up and eat your **** sandwich". Well, you know what? I'm not really feeling like a **** sandwich today, and you can't make me want to eat one. Now if YOU want to chow down on a fecal falafel, be my guest, but NEVER demand that I partake in your feast. That is completely unacceptable.

YOu don't spend much time in game or post game threads do ya?

 

[Cy Hard]

I have never once said I am in support of Mac. Yet here we are going down the same road again. I choose not to incessantly try to bring down the program of the school I graduated from. We all have are opinions. Didn't your mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?

 

[dbronco7sc]

But you're going to stop your research based on what some group of fans thinks about the coach?

I know if I were a recruit, I'd be getting my information from facts. I'd look at the record. I'd look at how many players they put in the NBA. I'd look at the number of players who leave the program. Then, from there, I'd be in contact with future players, or anyone with inside information. Sorry, but if I'm making this big of a decision I don't base it on the opinion of people who are posting under a screen name that generally just express opinion.

Fact is that McD will be here next year. According to JP.
Coming to this site... I would think that McD still may be fired... and I would be much more worried about him getting fired next year than if I never saw this site.

I think those factors can definately affect a recruit. I know they will look at many other factors as well. But those factors of fan support and perception of the program definately weigh in on the decision.

Just my opinion.