***2024 Minnesota Vikings***

I kinda go back and forth on this. You don't win 13 games by accident, but you can get a number of those wins in really stupid ways that aren't likely to be repeated....which did happen. I'd probably feel better about it if they showed up against NYG in the playoffs.
Kind of what I was going to say- what did they get out of it? A lower draft pick and getting beat at home in a playoff game. I’ll take two years of suckitude to get players that can make a difference. The Wilfs’ strategy of a ‘competitive rebuild’ is a recipe not necessarily for disaster, but more of the same results we’re used to.
 
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Kind of what I was going to say- what did they get out of it? A lower draft pick and getting beat at home in a playoff game. I’ll take two years of suckitude to get players that can make a difference. The Wilfs’ strategy of a ‘competitive rebuild’ is a recipe not necessarily for disaster, but more of the same results we’re used to.
My problem with a "comp rebuild" for the NFL is that it's counting on using your later draft picks to perfectly hit on the gaps you have to take the next step. That can take years, or just never happen at all. When you go full tank and rebuild, you have a ton more space and patience to retool and fill multiple gaps with those added resources. Can't do that nearly as quickly or easily with draft and salary cap limits hitting you year after year.
 
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My problem with a "comp rebuild" for the NFL is that it's counting on using your later draft picks to perfectly hit on the gaps you have to take the next step. That can take years, or just never happen at all. When you go full tank and rebuild, you have a ton more space and patience to retool and fill multiple gaps with those added resources. Can't do that nearly as quickly or easily with draft and salary cap limits hitting you year after year.
You can also tank and never recover to where you were. The Bears have been good for one or two good seasons every 6-8 years for basically the last 30 years. The Lions are even worse than that. Teams like Houston, Carolina, Miami, NY Jets, Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, and Jacksonville all have gone through the tank and rebuild process, some multiple times, and for the most part, don't have much to show for it. And how many of those franchises would you truly trade places with, long term?
 
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You can also tank and never recover to where you were. The Bears have been good for one or two good seasons every 6-8 years for basically the last 30 years. The Lions are even worse than that. Teams like Houston, Carolina, Miami, NY Jets, Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, and Jacksonville all have gone through the tank and rebuild process, some multiple times, and for the most part, don't have much to show for it. And how many of those franchises would you truly trade places with, long term?
How many of those have won trophies, again? Vikings have a great overall win percentage with nothing to show for it.
 
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How many of those have won trophies, again? Vikings have a great overall win percentage with nothing to show for it.
And who in the past 20 years or so were teams that tanked and rode a top 5 pick to a title?

Just because the Vikings have failed at it, overwhelmingly there’s a lot more success by teams that didnt crater.
 
And who in the past 20 years or so were teams that tanked and rode a top 5 pick to a title?

Just because the Vikings have failed at it, overwhelmingly there’s a lot more success by teams that didnt crater.
Most of the recent winners are teams who drafted incredible QBs at some point, another important task the entire Vikings organization has been terrible at during the same timeframe. I suppose the chances of that happening are about the same regardless of tanking.
 
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Most of the recent winners are teams who drafted incredible QBs at some point, another important task the entire Vikings organization has been terrible at during the same timeframe. I suppose the chances of that happening are about the same regardless of tanking.
Yes, but in the past 25 years teams that drafted those QBs high because they rebuilt are the Manning bros. Before that you have to go back to Elway and Aikman. Everybody else got QBs later, traded up (Mahomes), or were solid teams that traded for or signed franchise QBs.

I’m just saying the history doesn’t support a crater and rebuild as being a successful model. It supports trying to be as competitive as you can each year because there’s a lot of uncertainty, esp in who turns out from drafts and FA.
 
I’d rather have an elite front office/ talent evaluation and a mediocre coaching staff than vice versa. Speaking of which, the Zigster cleaning house after Rick and stating his top priority was to have the most progressive front office in the NFL was about the stupidest thing he could’ve said and was a great disservice to Kwesi.
 
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We can base a draft 2 ways: long term and immediate. Long term we really dont know how Kwesi has done. Unfortunate injuries on the 2022 draft class gave the Vikings absolutely no support. This year we go offense in the 1st round, when the defense should have been the priority. Long term it might work great and I hope it does. Only time will flesh it out.
 
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He was a guy that I wouldn't have minded spending a late pick on, but they got him as a UDFA
 
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Don’t like the pick at all. They now have 5 RB’s. A total waste of a pick
Kene isn’t really in the mix to be in the rotation. He’s a special teams guy. I think there’s a good chance they cut Cook. Then you’re down to Mattison, Chandler, and the rookie. I don’t mind the pick for a 7th rounder when he had a 3rd round grade from most analysts
 
Kene isn’t really in the mix to be in the rotation. He’s a special teams guy. I think there’s a good chance they cut Cook. Then you’re down to Mattison, Chandler, and the rookie. I don’t mind the pick for a 7th rounder when he had a 3rd round grade from most analysts
yeah, there's a near zero chance that Cook is on the roster this season. Kene is special teams all the way. Not sure that I see his role increasing that much. So, they keep him and 3 others.
 
We can base a draft 2 ways: long term and immediate. Long term we really dont know how Kwesi has done. Unfortunate injuries on the 2022 draft class gave the Vikings absolutely no support. This year we go offense in the 1st round, when the defense should have been the priority. Long term it might work great and I hope it does. Only time will flesh it out.
The injuries to Cine and Booth kind of mask the fact that Cine could barely get snaps on a horrible defense, and after other injuries Booth played and mostly stunk before getting hurt. It doesn’t mean they won’t turn out. Rookies take a while, and they didn’t get much time. But they were off to about as bad a start as your top two picks can have.

But I think getting Evans last year was a decent pick. Not sure you want him starting, but he looked competent.
 
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…the top two picks that were buried on the depth chart on a horrible defense before they got hurt.
…Cine could barely get snaps on a horrible defense, and after other injuries Booth played and mostly stunk before getting hurt.

These two statements best little relation to reality. Cine was hurt as he was working into the rotation in his third NFL game ever.

And Booth had spent little time in various camps and drills in the off-season and preseason because he was rehabbing from a senior injury. That was well known when he was drafted—and was a large part of the reason he fell to the second round. ‘22 was supposed to be a recovery and learning year for him in any case—and the question now is whether another injury will have set back that timetable.
 


He was a guy that I wouldn't have minded spending a late pick on, but they got him as a UDFA

Agree, Pace was one the top undrafted players left on the board and was a position of need.

Overall, I’d give the Vikes a B grade on the draft.
Addison A
Blackmon C+
Ward C-
Roy B+
Hall B
McBride A
Pace A-
 

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