2012 Chevy Silverado or Ford F150 4x4
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Yes, of course it is different, but it is still a handout subsidized by the taxpayer, and if one is railing on GM because they received a handout, they should also be aware of other companies that received handouts. BTW, Toyota got a handout too, it just came from the Japanese government.
I'm not sure that "handout" is the correct word to use. My understanding is that it was a loan, and that it was expected to be paid back. The loan was after funding from normal credit sources was stopped. I know Chrysler has paid back their loan, and I believe that GM has as well.
Many farmers have received payments from the government when commidity prices were low, or due to natural disasters. These payments are a true handout, not a loan, but yet some how this is acceptable but yet it was wrong when the government helped the auto industry. I'm not sure why one is acceptable but the other is not.
Many farmers have received payments from the government when commidity prices were low, or due to natural disasters. These payments are a true handout, not a loan, but yet some how this is acceptable but yet it was wrong when the government helped the auto industry. I'm not sure why one is acceptable but the other is not.
Chrysler paid back a majority of their loans. Over $1Billion was written off. Don't know about GM.
Neither is acceptable in my opinion but when you start bailing out specific companies because they are run like crap, you are asking for trouble. Should the government bailout K-Mart because they can't compete with Wal-Mart?
I have an 06 Silverado. It's a solid truck that has given me very few problems. I bought it over a Ford primarily because of the interior. Don't know what the new ones are like. You asked about the gears. If you're going to tow anything, you won't like the 3.42. My previous Silverado had 3.73 gears, and I can tell the difference. One other nit-pick on my Chevy is the steering. The turning radius on the Chevys is not good. The thing steers like a pig in parking lots. Other than that, like others have said, drive them both and buy the one you like.
Cheers.
Cheers.
That's not accurate. They got a different gov loan to pay back the first one. I sold Case construction equipment for 6 years and Fiat will kill both of these companies eventually, especially since Italy is broke and cannot subsidize Fiat any more.
As my old boss says "you know it was the Italians that killed Jesus...they kill everything they touch"
I wouldn't be caught dead in a GM or C.
I'm on my 3rd Tundra....and have not put money in any of them. Toyota is BOSS. Quality, resale, no Gov bailouts, and they stand behind their vehicles,
No government bailouts from the United States government. They got a bailout from the government of Japan. So perhaps they aren't quite of a well run company as you think they are.
How is it wrong. Actually, how is any of it wrong. The automotive industry is and has been a large part of America. If you let Ford, GM, and Chrysler die, you have destroyed the American market. You now have Toyota left to do basically whatever they want. Then you have upstream effects. You lose a bunch of jobs building components in the US. I see you are a huge Toyota pickup fan and having driven everything under the sun 2 years ago, the Toyota was a distant third in my opinion and probably because I won't ever have a Ford because of the work vehicles we have had and the troubles associated. I honestly couldn't find anything about the Toyota that was better than a Dodge or GM. 4 years ago, I drove a Camry, a Maxima, and an Impala. I bought the Impala mainly because it was the best value but the Camry was not a better driving car and it got worse mileage. It wasn't that impressive and I went into the whole deal intent on buying the Camry or Maxima.
Or you bail them out because there is no way they can afford to pay workers in a union that has ruined automaking. All the layoffs-Yeah, that was union. The workers would have worked for less.
And you could have kept reading when I said why. I also didn't say it was new did I?
By the way one thing I wanted to mention. The big reason I went GM over other options was the ability to complete easy maintenance tasks on your own. You open that hood and everything is easy to get to. Look under the hood of the Ford or a Toyota and you will see you are doing none of this work yourself. It is like they designed them to increase the service cost after you bought it.
With that said nothing has gone wrong in over 70k miles so it has not really mattered.
With that said nothing has gone wrong in over 70k miles so it has not really mattered.
Gas mileage on a 2010 F-150 Super Crew Cab, 5.4 Triton: 19.4 on the highway at 70mph. Over 20mpg at 62-65mph. 23 mpg at 60mph. 75mph and 17.7. Cold winter weather and headwind or side wind cut into gas mileage.
With E-85, 14 mpg highway at 70 mph. I won't use it any more. The gas price savings don't make up for the mileage cut.
With lots of city driving, the 14 mpg average city/highway sticker info is correct.
The EcoBoost is a real draw with 2mpg higher highway. The $895 upcharge is rationalized in 35,000 miles with $4 gas.
The Ford Super Crew back seat with the flat floor is great. There's more room back there than in any trunk. It's possible with the slightly higher ride on the Ford.
The 2011 and 2012 Chevy's don't ride as smooth. I get Silverado trucks at National Rent Car locations. I prefer the Ford ride.
I'd add that Ford outsells Chevy for a reason, multiple reasons.
On the other hand, it's still the Ford vs. Chevy debate. Take your pick and spend more at the gas station than if driving a Ford Focus.
Didn't cost me a dime...so I don't care. They are not getting anything from our gov either but grief.