Tough day for EIU hoops hopes

[Cyinthenorth]

I think it is because of necessity and not necessarily what he wants. Fran tries to recruit black players, but has a hard time getting them to come to Iowa. I’m guessing that he doesn’t and isn’t getting the support needed to get those players especially in the NIL era.

What kind of support does he need? Iowa State doesn't have trouble getting black players, and hasn't like, practically ever. Aside from conference affiliation (Big 12 has a more southern trajectory, vs the midwest Big 10), I don't know what factors would be making it more difficult to do this at Iowa than Iowa State. Does Fran just lack assistant coaches that can build rapport with young black athletes? Does he himself struggle to do this, as an old white male that has most likely (I assume) never had to go wanting for anything in life?

 

[GoHawks]

I did watch a lot of the second half of the Iowa game and then watched the Iowa game. ISU players seemed to play a lot more disciplined, where as Iowa players just seemed to play all over the place. It just seemed our players flow together more than Iowa's does. The physique of all our players compared to Iowa is very different. Ward, Big Rob, Tamin, etc, have put a lot of work in the weight room. These guys are muscled up. The majority of Iowa's guys look like a wet noodle longing for some Viagra.

FYI- Go Iowa Awesome had a few posts really questioning Fran's recruiting of mostly white players and very few black players.

I agree the difference in not only strength but athletes in Iowa and Iowa State is vast. Iowa State is also just exponentially coached better defensively. If Tj was coaching Iowa they would be a lot better defensively. UNI and Kyle Green teams had great defenses with not a great caliber of athletes at UNI.

Iowa would lose some well schemed offenses without Fran but defense is more important in college basketball. Especially in a win or go home postseason. His teams will just always have low ceilings with this style.

 

[CascadeClone]

I'd hate Fran if I were a UNI fan. There has to be a strong correlation between Fran "stealing" all the Iowa kids that would have normally been Panthers to build mediocre teams and UNI's decline. Put those guys in the Valley where they belong and I imagine UNI is one of the better programs in the conference rather than being stuck in the doldrums the past decade whenever they didn't have AJ Green around killing it.

It's kinda hard to correlate it well- choosing a start point, different coaches at UNI... but let's power thru it!

UNI averaged 22 wins per year the 5 years before Fran arrived in 2010 (11.6 conf wins). Same averages if you go with the 7 years before. That's 4 years of BJ and 1 or 3 years of GMac.

Since Fran arrived (13 seasons, not counting this season at all), UNI has averaged 19 wins per year and 10.5 in conference. So worse, but not apocalyptic.

Now, if you compare the last 5-7 years on UNI only -- with the assumption that Fran recruited harder and had leftover players when he started... it gets a bit more pronounced. Then you are at more like 16 wins per year (10 conf wins).

The biggest thing I see is consistency by UNI - ie the lack of it since Fran arrived. They have had a few good years, but seem to bottom out much lower. That certainly could be lack of quality depth due to Fran taking a guy or 3 that would otherwise be at UNI. Or it could be that BJ is not a great coach. Or both, idk.

Since this is the ISR thread, let's blame Fran!

I am sure UNI boards (if they existed) would blame Benny J. This is his 18th year at UNI!

 

[Mr.G.Spot]

I think it is because of necessity and not necessarily what he wants. Fran tries to recruit black players, but has a hard time getting them to come to Iowa. I’m guessing that he doesn’t and isn’t getting the support needed to get those players especially in the NIL era.

Really????

Let's try these two reasons:

- they settle a lawsuit for $4 million from former black players in the football program.

- Fran is a screaming lunatic at times. He carries on his sleeve "I am an angry old white guy." Black recruits don't relate.

 

[Die4Cy]

Would be $8.52 million after this year. Beth either needs to pay the buyout or add a year into his contract after this year since he will only have 4 years remaining after this year. Without reupping him for one more year, the buyout next year would be $6.48 million. So she would save 2 million by firing him next if she doesn’t extend him a year. So she will have a decision to make.

Next year the Big Ten member institutions all become awash in cash, payout projections on their new media deal alone suggest an increase of at least $12 million next year, when previous increases have been less than $3M with the last two years only $1M.

Goetz can make a huge statement and clean house if she wants, and doing it in the first year of a large budget increase makes it easy and mostly painless for the athletics department. Outside of paying lawyers and contractors, which we know they would resist anyway, they can't spend that much more even if they try. And it's such a low stakes deal for her. If she fired Fran, no one would even care. Football is a different story.

 

[awd4cy]

Crap! We need them to pull off enough wins to justify keeping Mad Fran. Not sure this team can do it. Last thing we want is for them to have a shot at a competent coach.

Their new AD is hungry to make an impact and fix the attendance issues. Fran is a goner unfortunately.

 

[Acylum]

I would have to go back and look, but hasn't Fran left scholarships on the table back to back years now?

Correct. Left two open this season so Mulvey isn’t taking up dead space exactly.

 

[Acylum]

It's kinda hard to correlate it well- choosing a start point, different coaches at UNI... but let's power thru it!

UNI averaged 22 wins per year the 5 years before Fran arrived in 2010 (11.6 conf wins). Same averages if you go with the 7 years before. That's 4 years of BJ and 1 or 3 years of GMac.

Since Fran arrived (13 seasons, not counting this season at all), UNI has averaged 19 wins per year and 10.5 in conference. So worse, but not apocalyptic.

Now, if you compare the last 5-7 years on UNI only -- with the assumption that Fran recruited harder and had leftover players when he started... it gets a bit more pronounced. Then you are at more like 16 wins per year (10 conf wins).

The biggest thing I see is consistency by UNI - ie the lack of it since Fran arrived. They have had a few good years, but seem to bottom out much lower. That certainly could be lack of quality depth due to Fran taking a guy or 3 that would otherwise be at UNI. Or it could be that BJ is not a great coach. Or both, idk.

Since this is the ISR thread, let's blame Fran!

I am sure UNI boards (if they existed) would blame Benny J. This is his 18th year at UNI!

Not to mention a weaker MVC without Creighton and WSU in the latter years.

 

[CyCity]

Iowa basketball S&C is virtually non-existent.

Do they even have a dedicated S&C coach?

 

[kingcy]

I think it is because of necessity and not necessarily what he wants. Fran tries to recruit black players, but has a hard time getting them to come to Iowa. I’m guessing that he doesn’t and isn’t getting the support needed to get those players especially in the NIL era.

Fran has problem recruiting player's period. His team is made up mostly of Iowa fan boys and legacy players.

 

[MeanDean]

Do they even have a dedicated S&C coach?

They have a S&C coach but he's not all that dedicated. Look at those pipe-cleaner arms.

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)

 

[CyPunch]

Depending on how this season ends it could be this year. If they totally tank the rest of the way.

No chance Fran is fired at the end of this year for the team's on court performance. He could retire but all indications are he's staying. There's always rumors of him taking another job but he's almost 65. It's hard to see a scenario where someone else would want to hire him at this point.

They will have a tough time holding on to their most valuable piece in Perkins this offseason. Bowen will transfer. Krikke is done. Patrick looks burnt out. They will have to be active in the portal which is not Fran's forte.

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Iowa is in purgatory. Fran has done nothing to justify a firing, however there is major fan apathy and lack of fan engagement. This is impacting NIL support and overall financial support. Iowa is facing a multiyear rebuild just to get back to tourney, what is the solution here? – @zwright3232​

Unfortunately, there’s no good answer here. I had a conversation with someone recently about Fran. He’s getting ready to sign with a new agent and has no plans to retire in the next few seasons. Purgatory is probably the best word for the situation. In most years, Iowa will be good enough to make the NCAA tournament, but never good enough to make a serious title run. Recruiting is starting to slow and he’s probably a year away from being a year away from being remotely on the hot seat. So what’s the solution? A staff shakeup? Pay more attention to the defense? I’m not sure there’s a quick fix for Iowa right now that doesn’t involve a coaching change – which isn’t happening.

 

[CyCrazy]

Fran has problem recruiting player's period. His team is made up mostly of Iowa fan boys and legacy players.

Look pal he has the quad cities locked down.

 

[Halincandenza]

I am guessing is that Fran is just not a great recruiter and its probably just a personality thing. For a long time too he seemed to have an older staff not really known for recruiting either.

 

[Sigmapolis]

It's kinda hard to correlate it well- choosing a start point, different coaches at UNI... but let's power thru it!

UNI averaged 22 wins per year the 5 years before Fran arrived in 2010 (11.6 conf wins). Same averages if you go with the 7 years before. That's 4 years of BJ and 1 or 3 years of GMac.

Since Fran arrived (13 seasons, not counting this season at all), UNI has averaged 19 wins per year and 10.5 in conference. So worse, but not apocalyptic.

Now, if you compare the last 5-7 years on UNI only -- with the assumption that Fran recruited harder and had leftover players when he started... it gets a bit more pronounced. Then you are at more like 16 wins per year (10 conf wins).

The biggest thing I see is consistency by UNI - ie the lack of it since Fran arrived. They have had a few good years, but seem to bottom out much lower. That certainly could be lack of quality depth due to Fran taking a guy or 3 that would otherwise be at UNI. Or it could be that BJ is not a great coach. Or both, idk.

Since this is the ISR thread, let's blame Fran!

I am sure UNI boards (if they existed) would blame Benny J. This is his 18th year at UNI!

UNI had a unreplaceable windfall in there...



Take away a 4* guard that would have never elected to play at a mid-major outside of very specific circumstances and I bet those most recent years might not have looked very good.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

It's kinda hard to correlate it well- choosing a start point, different coaches at UNI... but let's power thru it!

UNI averaged 22 wins per year the 5 years before Fran arrived in 2010 (11.6 conf wins). Same averages if you go with the 7 years before. That's 4 years of BJ and 1 or 3 years of GMac.

Since Fran arrived (13 seasons, not counting this season at all), UNI has averaged 19 wins per year and 10.5 in conference. So worse, but not apocalyptic.

Now, if you compare the last 5-7 years on UNI only -- with the assumption that Fran recruited harder and had leftover players when he started... it gets a bit more pronounced. Then you are at more like 16 wins per year (10 conf wins).

The biggest thing I see is consistency by UNI - ie the lack of it since Fran arrived. They have had a few good years, but seem to bottom out much lower. That certainly could be lack of quality depth due to Fran taking a guy or 3 that would otherwise be at UNI. Or it could be that BJ is not a great coach. Or both, idk.

Since this is the ISR thread, let's blame Fran!

I am sure UNI boards (if they existed) would blame Benny J. This is his 18th year at UNI!

There are lots of factors beyond Fran why UNI has been inconsistent and pretty much none of them are Jake's fault other than his incessant overscheduling in the non-con.

He'll win 500 games and retire from UNI when all is said and done and the fan base is pretty universally good with that.

 

[ClonesTwenty1]

I am guessing is that Fran is just not a great recruiter and its probably just a personality thing. For a long time too he seemed to have an older staff not really known for recruiting either.

Fran has never really had that “guy” who could go out and compete for a 5 star recruit and bring him in. I feel like Frans staff is just full of “yes” men.

 

[qwerty]

I think it is because of necessity and not necessarily what he wants. Fran tries to recruit black players, but has a hard time getting them to come to Iowa. I’m guessing that he doesn’t and isn’t getting the support needed to get those players especially in the NIL era.

Has to be the fault of the location because Ames is much more urban than Iowa Shity. Can't be the coach or atmosphere put out by the university itself.

 

[Messi]

if Shaheen Holloway parlays his Saint Peters & Seton Hall success into a job like Villanova i wonder if Fran would parachute his way to Newark?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

if Shaheen Holloway parlays his Saint Peters & Seton Hall success into a job like Villanova i wonder if Fran would parachute his way to Newark?

Special assistant at Notre Dame after Jack commits there.