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I disagree, but I don’t dislike Rocco or anything.
Purdy was elite in terms of accuracy, footwork, and release. The footwork got better as he went along, but the accuracy was always there.
Rocco has great decision making for a freshman, and poise/leadership oozing everywhere, but imo he hasn’t shown the same consistency/accuracy as freshman Purdy.
I think that people tend to remember the crazy pump fakes and the occasional int, but forget that Purdy was ELITE at throwing the 15 yard out to the far hash. I can really only remember a few ISU QBs who can actually make those high level throws consistently; and only 3 of them had the intangibles, too; Seneca, Sage, and Brock. That’s why Rocco reminds me more of an Arnaud or Richardson- but with way more potential thanks to better talent around him and better coaching.
Well good luck to you sir because you are going to have a Looooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnggggg wait to see someone come into ISU and perform better than Rocco did this year. At any position.
Respectfully, I think you’re projecting Purdy’s NFL play to his time at ISU.
He always had elite “feel”, pocket awareness, and ability to move and keep the play alive. His footwork was not anywhere close to what he’s doing now w/ SF.
He routinely threw off his back foot/rolled into contact.
His numbers early were also buoyed by a lot of chuck and pray w/ Butler. Many of those throws that went big were underthrown.
He also had (by nature of the team and his disposition) to put his head down and have the real possibility of a decent outing go to bad, worse, horrible trying to do too much.
Rocco seems to be on the current trajectory of Brock in NFL. If he’ll get to Purdy/NFL #s remains to be seen. But Rocco is and will continue to put up Brock NCAA numbers/results.
And may come out with a more favorable draft comp if he keeps it up. Brock seemed destined for big things after Soph year and then teams started honing in on him.
Sage Rosenfels threw for 4,164 yards at ISU, completing 52.1% of his passes with 18 TD passes to 26 INTs during his entire time here.
Solid strategy, evaluate a persons potential and talent based on how they perform during a game in a snowstorm.
Sama may have potential similar to Breece. Not a big enough data set to say.
After an entire season for Rocco, he is on the same glide path as Purdy was and he was working behind a lesser Oline.
Rocco has a lower completion percentage with lower yards per attempt.. if we hold Brock throwing to butler against him, should we also hold Noel breaking 60 yarders in the snow against Rocco?
Respectfully, I don’t think I’m putting his pro results onto his college career. I was one of the few saying Purdy would be an NFL starter on the board prior to his draft.
Rocco has better numbers in yards and TDs because he started 4 more games than Purdy.
I think Rocco’s release is really strange and he doesn’t do well on adjusting his base for second and third reads consistently… obviously he can (and will) improve on that over time, but it’s just what I’ve noticed.
I think Rocco can be a great college QB, I just don’t see him having the same trajectory as Brock or Seneca based on what I’ve seen from him so far. He looks good. I just don’t think he looks like one of the best 50 throwers of the football in the entire sport, and I don’t mean that as an insult at all.
I guess I'd have to go back and look. I remember a great anticipation/accurate throw to Higgins... maybe in the Oklahoma game? Not sure if it was far hash or not. I do recall a few overthrown deeper balls (Purdy had a tendency to underthrow those which is worse). And there were definitely an occasional ball that was off the mark, but from my memory the occurrence wasn't noticeably more than from Purdys career.
We'll just have to disagree. What I'm seeing is much closer to Purdy than Arnaud or Richardson.
I would love to eat crow next year! Don’t they always say most improvement comes from year 1 to 2?
I think he is really good, I just think Purdy was elite (and criminally underrated by pro scouts at the time).
I hope I am not coming across as a Rocco doubter. He is clearly better than JJ and Dekkers.
Love how posters pull names out their ass when really all they want to say is he's not as good as Purdy.
We all watched Brock Purdy play four years. We all love Brock. But to say he was technically consistent, especially early in his career here, just isn't true. He improved a great deal in making his progressions and footwork, and accuracy of his deeper throws from when he started.
I will say in Purdy's defense that Scheelhaase/Broomfield >>>> Manning/Gordon, however.
Yes but in fairness to Sage.... or Seneca or anyone else from that time period ....
1) There's no comparing the state of the program then to now and overall talent
I mean, he was the offensive MVP for both the bowl and the season in 2000. I mean, the Bowl game he played great, so I understand. But with those numbers to be the offensive MVP for the season... kinda says a little about the overall playmakers. Yes the QB has an inside leg on the competition but still.
Offensive Freshman of Year 2023 is quite an accomplishment for Becht.
In Purdy's freshman year the award went to Kansas RB Pooka Williams.
In Purdy's freshman year the award went to Kansas RB Pooka Williams.
Broomfield? What would a DB coach have to do with a QB's development
Yes and no. Both are really not good. One gets picked or potentially a receiver killed (over throws if the receiving jumps, or it leads them into a safety) but also can be almost throw aways that fall incomplete.
And one gets a picked or potentially less yardage but can at times in a weird way get PI called because if the receiver stops and the defender doesn't turn around it can draw a flag.
The biggest thing for me with Rocco other than continuing to understand pressure and the hots is he at times is late over the middle. He's usually pretty good outside the numbers - but at times is late and high over the middle.
In the old days people would be mince meat with being late and or high over the middle.
Today its a good bet for being picked.
Again, not a knock on Rocco. Because that's true for the vast majority of the QB's. Its why the saying of being late across the middle is one of the two throws you don't really want to make - the other being a long cross field throw because that ball hangs in the air and unless you have a cannon - its a prime pick six candidate because of how long it has to travel
Relatedly- Sam Richardson was a good QB who suffered under horrendous coaching. he had to deal with messingham AND mangino. For him to be solid despite that staff is incredible.
Arnaud is one of our few 4-year starters(ish) and saw the best of the Rhoads years.
IMO both would do well with Scheelhaus.
I’m not just “throwing names out there” when I say freshman Rocco isn’t as good as freshman Purdy.
Arnaud and Richardson (to me) are P5-quality starters, both of whom had questionable talent and coaching around them. Rocco is clearly a P5 starter quality player, with much better coaching and talent.
Notice I didn’t say Rohach, Tiller, Flynn, or any number of other QBs.
Arnaud is one of our few 4-year starters(ish) and saw the best of the Rhoads years.
IMO both would do well with Scheelhaus.
I’m not just “throwing names out there” when I say freshman Rocco isn’t as good as freshman Purdy.
Arnaud and Richardson (to me) are P5-quality starters, both of whom had questionable talent and coaching around them. Rocco is clearly a P5 starter quality player, with much better coaching and talent.
Notice I didn’t say Rohach, Tiller, Flynn, or any number of other QBs.
Brock’s footwork while at ISU was anything but elite. He had solid instincts, and much of it may have been coaching/trying to keep him healthy.
He came on the scene as a dual threat qb that likely would’ve had a low ceiling. A poor man’s Jalen Hurts/that little guy from Arizona Cardinals.
As frustrating as it was for us, what CMC and Manning did for Purdy set him on a much greater pro trajectory staying in the pocket and learning to evade when needed.
He had/still has great vision, touch and a better ball than he was given credit for.
But his footwork has gotten next level with SF coaching and it’s made his passes more sure and with greater zip.