When they play a school like Ohio State like they did last season, yea, its skews the numbers. When I mean preseason, I am talking about the portion of the schedule before conference play starts.
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Got a link to data that actually includes more info, than a couple games for said teams? How about a like to data on ACCN viewership?
How about an actual analysis of the value of teams across the board? Instead of just a one off data point that you think is more important?
I can pick 1 game for ISU and say that is an accurate evaluation of ISU too, but that would not be accurate. But that is what you are trying to do.
Edit: and you posted data for Toledo....one team. And attendance, as many have said Attendance is not an accurate measure of TV viewership.
Sure but is it a big deal?
Football teams travel out on Friday and fly back on Saturdays after games. That doesn't change if WVU is flying to Dallas or Phoenix. So your really saying that 1 or 2 hours more flight time is a big time zap. And that time zap might happen twice over a 10 week period.
In hoops WVU will fly out Wednesday, play Thu (ASU) & Sat (UA) and fly back Saturday night. 2 Road games, 3 missed class days (Wed/Thu/Fri)
Look at current Big12 practice where schools tend to play home/road or road/home each week.
- Tue or Wed Road Game: 2 missed class days (plus fly back late)
- Sat Road Game: 1 miss class day
Don't take this offensively, but if anyone provides a dataset (no matter how small) which calls into question your dataset, then the whole is invalidated. When will the world learn this?
We are talking about 3 time zones, so I think it’s big. Happy to disagree. USCLA to the Big will absolutely require more travel time… and I think it’s an important metric.
I keep telling you my data source: SportsMediaWatch.com.
Put it in your google brower and you can see data for EVERY GAME reported for EACH WEEK all the way back to 2012.
Much better than aggregate data where the source ADMITS THEIR DATA IS FLAWED by using zero for unreported games.
Did you notice I actually posted a link to the SI data....that ranks VT and Virginia much higher than the viewership data. And also the FSU data that puts them way higher?
No?
I did, see I provided links and data that not only is what they are asking but actually somewhat proves they are somewhat right. But also with the understanding that this data was just as flawed, because of some of the same reasons they state about mine.
I have yet to see a perfect analysis, and would love someone to post something that is better. I have yet seen anything like that.
Sports media watch does not include a lot of games....you cant just take a couple games of high value and say that is accurate. And that is not a link to actual analysis of the data, just the raw data.
If you are not going to include 75%+ of the games for some teams, how can you call that accurate?
What you are saying is you have no actual links to more info.
That's because the data isn't tracked for ESPN+, ACCN or Pac12N. Networks have to pay entities like Nielsen to track viewership/ratings. If you can find a source that provides viewership for those 3 networks, I would welcome the information.
But to repeatedly link a source that uses zero viewers for games not reported is promoting lazy analysis or performed by someone with a 3rd grade education. It also benefits elite schools because they might only have a couple games a year that aren't tracked vs. VT having 9 games not tracked.
Of course for any/all streaming the data is always there. Who owns it and releases it is another matter. Also, technically speaking, there are other methods for collecting watch data (eg ACR-Automatic Content Recognition) no matter what method of broadcast which is also there for the 'buying'. So, it is there ... somewhere. Which, basically means, if it's absent, it's out of intent, lack of funds, or just negligence.
So providing data that just ignores 3/4 of the games, is better?
I admitted several times the data I linked wasnt perfect. I even said it was just one way to compare them, but not the entire picture.
But you seem to think that your source is perfect, and that a just ignoring a huge amount of games and still not comparing that and analysing it comparing media slots among all slots and teams is somehow better.
If you go through my posts I stated many times it isnt perfect, but it is one measuring stick, and what is available. If you can come up with better data, I would love to see it.
I think BY, ESPN, and Fox (and most fans) know the value of teams.
common sense helps.
A team like VT had an average attendance of 64,356 fans per game in the 2022 season even though they sucked horribly.
VT also has the entire state of virginia and dc as its media presence.
VT is in a good recruiting state, and has been better than miami and fsu since it moved to the acc from the big east.
VT has been really bad of late, but their coach sucked. they'll be back. VT also takes football very seriously.
Contrast Stanford.
Just night and day different. BY knows this. ESPN and fox know this. The sec should know this, if they dont espn/fox will tell them when they expand again.
WVU doesnt mind travel to the 4 corners schools. They were a neccessity for conference stability and to kill the PAC. Stanford and cal would add travel for wvu and others for no damn reason. doesnt add value. Stanford adds nothing tv viewers care about (academics).
if the Big 12 is taking schools to enhance its image, why not army, navy, and air force? they're elite academically and represent our Nation. In what world does stanforc enhance the big 12 image more than army or navy?
Not saying we should add the service academies, just saying stanford is way down on the list of teams the big 12 should add. and cal is laughable.
RIDDLE: I played college football. My dc one year was later hired by Iowa State and coached ISU as a DC for several years. I'm old. Who was the DC ISU and I had in common?
Bonus: I played for a United States Military Academy. Which one?
common sense helps.
A team like VT had an average attendance of 64,356 fans per game in the 2022 season even though they sucked horribly.
VT also has the entire state of virginia and dc as its media presence.
VT is in a good recruiting state, and has been better than miami and fsu since it moved to the acc from the big east.
VT has been really bad of late, but their coach sucked. they'll be back. VT also takes football very seriously.
Contrast Stanford.
Just night and day different. BY knows this. ESPN and fox know this. The sec should know this, if they dont espn/fox will tell them when they expand again.
WVU doesnt mind travel to the 4 corners schools. They were a neccessity for conference stability and to kill the PAC. Stanford and cal would add travel for wvu and others for no damn reason. doesnt add value. Stanford adds nothing tv viewers care about (academics).
if the Big 12 is taking schools to enhance its image, why not army, navy, and air force? they're elite academically and represent our Nation. In what world does stanforc enhance the big 12 image more than army or navy?
Not saying we should add the service academies, just saying stanford is way down on the list of teams the big 12 should add. and cal is laughable.
RIDDLE: I played college football. My dc one year was later hired by Iowa State and coached ISU as a DC for several years. I'm old. Who was the DC ISU and I had in common?
Bonus: I played for a United States Military Academy. Which one?
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I think you are right, but the congressional legislation will be about pay for play and less about anti trust directly. Though ruling for pay to play would eliminate anti trust since pro sports have anti-trust exceptions.
It will also probably ruled in such a way that makes no sense and no school/conference will see it coming and leave every school worse for it.
You obviously are not an analytical person. The data you keep promoting isn't close to perfect, it is blatantly bad calculations. Like I said, 3rd grade level bad math. The data you cite is like saying 1+3 = 8.
If you can find a better source of individual game viewership, do so. Until then SportsMediaWatch has the most comprehensive and transparent viewership data out there.
You obviously think you are the smartest person in the room, you always do.
You have an attitude that you shared some great source, yet you did not, SportsMediaWatch is just the same as anything I posted. It lacks an extreme amount of data. And saying it is somehow superior to anything else is beyond ridiculous.
You love to tell other people to come up with sources, then tell them to come up with better sources, yet never do the same.
I am going to start telling you to post your receipts on everything now too. See how that works for you.
I have said my data is not perfect many times. You fail to recognise not only that I have said so, but also that your data is just as flawed.
I have never insulted you or your intelligence because that is a sign of a weak person, with weak arguments. Maybe you should look in the mirror when you hurl insults thinking you are somehow superior.
You post constant speculation, and as soon as someone calls you on it you hurl insults. It doesnt make you right, it just makes you a jerk.
Posted in WVU thread too. You could say K. State is practicing their welcome to the Big 12 act for the newcomers. #TruckStopConference#
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Toledo was the team at the top of the list you posted, and if a teams attendance is not good measuring stick of TV viewership than what is? Funny the top teams every year at the top of the viewership list is also the teams selling out every game. Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan and others.
The most important thing about TV ratings is the time and the channel the game is on, its really that simple. Put an ISU game on primetime Saturday night on ABC, you are going to get a good rating. Put that same game at 11:00 on FS1 the numbers are going to drop. Its really as simple as that, the better teams, get the best ratings, in a large part because not only are they good, but they play where people can find them. They have very few games during the conference schedule on the SEC network, BTN or streaming. Just enough to keep their fan base purchasing those networks, the rest are on ABC, ESPN, FOX or CBS.
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You’re right. Anyone who posts data that says more people watch toledo football games each year than Virginia tech football games is not posting anywhere close to perfect data