Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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I think you are a little too high on the eastern teams. And maybe moonshine.
Not that VT is a bad add, they would be top half of Big12 in terms of "brand" for football anyway (despite recent suckitude). But they aren't light years above the 4 corners. I'm not sure if they are above LVille right now. Frank Beamer isn't walking thru that door.
Also, Miami is absolutely the gem in your list above. Better football brand (despite recent suckitude) and a great bball program - which is really important for the Big12 long term strategy. Miami is probably the best ACC team the Big12 could possibly have a shot at, after the B1G and SEC get first dibs on Clemson, FSU, UNC, and who knows who else. If we're lucky, B1G will take ND or UVA - that would raise the floor for what's left after the SEC takes 4.
Don't get me wrong, I actually like the idea of taking those OG BigEast bball schools (LV, Cuse, Pitt) on the way to 20, because they fit the bball strategy and make for good rivalries with WV & Cincy. Along with Duke, or best available football school (NCST? Miami?).
Most likely, here is what Big12 will have to choose from:
B1G takes UNC, UVA
SEC takes Clem, FSU, Miami, NCST or VT
Big12 takes 4 of : VT or NCST, LV, Pitt, Duke, UCONN, Cuse, GT (sorry BC and WF)
I mean, MAYBE, the Big12 would take all 7 of the above, plus... idk SDSt to go to 24 teams. Knowing BY, he might go huge, and have basically 80% of the top bball brands in house.
Viewership. Thought it was obvious especially over the last several pages etc.
So you are saying all those G5s in that range drew better numbers than ACC schools, because they played 1 P5 school the entire year? Not all of them played Ohio State, to bump their numbers.This is a prime example of why you must examine what the stats are saying and just not take them at face value. Because there is no way in hell that Toledo of Ohio has more fans than large state schools like Virginia or Virginia tech that are watching their games.
Attendance 2022: Virginia 40,681, VT 64,356 to Toledo 19,557.
So how did Toledo draw better numbers? Looking at their schedule last year, you see that Toledo played Ohio State, that is always great for a ratings bump, and they played two games on Tuesday nights and one game on a Friday night. On the weeknight games there would be little competition from other games, allowing the school to rack up some rating points average, from the hardcore football fan that just wants to watch a game on TV, regardless of the teams playing. I tend to be one of those.
Stats can mislead you, that is why you have to look into them, otherwise you come off looking silly.
2022 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker
A look at FBS attendance for the 2022 season compared to year-over-year and five-year-over-year averages.www.d1ticker.com
Toledo Rockets 2022 Regular Season NCAAF Schedule - ESPN
ESPN has the full 2022 Toledo Rockets Regular Season NCAAF schedule. Includes game times, TV listings and ticket information for all Rockets games.www.espn.com
Do you even listen to yourself
No, but a lot of them play their games during the week on ESPN or FOX 1, for the hardcore fan, its another game to watch. Or they just have better fanbases than schools that draw 2 to 3 times the number of fans than they do per game.
It's one or the other, so is it TV rating like you think or butts in the seats?
Or are you just going to dig a deeper hole like the one you are trying to get out of comparing Toledo to Virginia and VT?
This is a prime example of why you must examine what the stats are saying and just not take them at face value. Because there is no way in hell that Toledo of Ohio has more fans than large state schools like Virginia or Virginia tech that are watching their games.
Attendance 2022: Virginia 40,681, VT 64,356 to Toledo 19,557.
So how did Toledo draw better numbers? Looking at their schedule last year, you see that Toledo played Ohio State, that is always great for a ratings bump, and they played two games on Tuesday nights and one game on a Friday night. On the weeknight games there would be little competition from other games, allowing the school to rack up some rating points average, from the hardcore football fan that just wants to watch a game on TV, regardless of the teams playing. I tend to be one of those.
Stats can mislead you, that is why you have to look into them, otherwise you come off looking silly.
2022 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker
A look at FBS attendance for the 2022 season compared to year-over-year and five-year-over-year averages.
Toledo Rockets 2022 Regular Season NCAAF Schedule - ESPN
ESPN has the full 2022 Toledo Rockets Regular Season NCAAF schedule. Includes game times, TV listings and ticket information for all Rockets games.
For further reference when comparing to the previous page of VT,UVA, Due etc stats on VIEWERSHIP. ie TV viewership average!!!
I post a range to show its not just a one off. I get it a lot can depend on who they are playing what channel it is on, when etc. But saying that G5 has better boost in viewership because of 1 P5 game, doesnt make sense. Especially when the rest of their games are on G5 media, and they are surrounded by G5.
2022 VIEWERSHIP
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Yeah I’m pretty sure that was the consensus we agreed on, don’t know where this is coming from
Here is the viewership for 2021, where VT and UVA played BOTH high Ranked Notre Dame and UNC. And they still couldnt match the viewership of the very bottom Viewership of the B12, and barely above G5.This is a prime example of why you must examine what the stats are saying and just not take them at face value. Because there is no way in hell that Toledo of Ohio has more fans than large state schools like Virginia or Virginia tech that are watching their games.
Attendance 2022: Virginia 40,681, VT 64,356 to Toledo 19,557.
So how did Toledo draw better numbers? Looking at their schedule last year, you see that Toledo played Ohio State, that is always great for a ratings bump, and they played two games on Tuesday nights and one game on a Friday night. On the weeknight games there would be little competition from other games, allowing the school to rack up some rating points average, from the hardcore football fan that just wants to watch a game on TV, regardless of the teams playing. I tend to be one of those.
Stats can mislead you, that is why you have to look into them, otherwise you come off looking silly.
2022 FBS Attendance Trends | College Athletics News | D1 ticker
A look at FBS attendance for the 2022 season compared to year-over-year and five-year-over-year averages.
Toledo Rockets 2022 Regular Season NCAAF Schedule - ESPN
ESPN has the full 2022 Toledo Rockets Regular Season NCAAF schedule. Includes game times, TV listings and ticket information for all Rockets games.
If your take is correct those 2 games should push those teams much farther up. But as it stands because it is an average it still didnt push them that high. They are below the worst b12 teams on their high years, and even worse in their low years.
I realize viewership isnt the entire picture, but it is at least a decent measuring stick. And when year after year they generate less than half the bottom of the B12, in Viewers, that shows a pretty obvious trend, that they are not the media giants some think.
He can call it dumb but they're all just trying to survive. Not much different from when OuT first happened and the Big 12 quickly added those 4 programs. They're doing what they need to do in order to survive. The Big 12 has come out of all this in a strong position, and I don't think the ACC will once we get closer to the GoR expiring. But you can't blame them for doing what they think they need to do to survive, both the ACC and those schools.
Correct quote, “ There are lies, damned lies, and statistics”. GYST
KidSilverhair
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It’s not so much the schools that are dumb, but the whole situation - where they’re put into these corners and basically grab at straws for survival. And thats all at the whim of the networks/media
providers, who’d happily blow up everything we love about college football if it got them another half share in the ratings. That’s what’s dumb.
Although I do posit that a “conference” that includes schools in Tallahassee, Boston, Raleigh, Dallas, and Palo Alto is indeed “dumb.”
Two things can both be true. NC State, VT, and Virginia are VASTLY overrated by many and undervalued by others. In terms of realignment, they’re nowhere near a Miami but also nowhere near Rutgers.
For sure. This is all ******* stupid and shortsighted. I don't fault the big 12 because its just playing for survival, but the networks and the big 10\SEC really have done a ton of long-term damage
Those SMU/BC basketball games in front of 800 people on a Tuesday night in Boston are going to RULE!!
KidSilverhair
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I’m glad the B12 did what needed to be done, grabbing some of the most attractive G5s, jumping the line for a media deal, and then doing what they did to remove the PAC as a competitor for the #3 conference. Yormark has been playing the angles pretty well. I’m still not 100% sold on UCF, just from a geographical standpoint, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
The ACC reaching for Cal/Stanford/SMU really shows how scared they are of what the B12 has done; they see this as about their only move to try to stay in competition for that #3 spot, backfilling for when they inevitably lose FSU/Clemson in hopes of holding the rest together. I can’t really blame them for that, even if I think it’s a desperation move that probably isn’t going to work out for them - but it’s nice to know for once the B12 is forcing moves by others instead of just reacting to the SEC/B1G.
The big influence of media partners still sucks, though. We need oversight of the entire FBS, with a single group handling media rights in a balanced, sane, profitable way for everyone. And once pigs fly out of my butt, that could happen, I guess.
Yeah, short of congressional legislation (notably to get around the antitrust concerns) there's no chance. And i'm not sure we could count on a good result from that act even if it happened.
So what sports will having a west coast road trip or two a season be an issue?
There are just a handful of sports where every conference team is on the schedule each year: Volleyball, MBB, WBB, Softball & Baseball. With 16, 20 or 24 team conferences, maybe it's not important to play every school each season.
I bet there will be travel partners and schedule structure similar to what Pac12 does today. So an ISU road trip to Arizona to play UA & ASU for Th/Sat games. That same season Utah teams come to Ames. Even if the Big12 adds a couple other West Coast schools, that would be 2 long road trips every other year. Doesn't seem like a big deal over an 8-10 week period.
If costs become an issue, then the Big12 could get creative. They already do that with Volleyball where we don't play teams home & road, but back-to-back days either home or road. If playing all the other teams each year is important, maybe 3 or 4 Big12 teams come to one school's campus to play each other.
The Big12 could even use not playing every school each season to its advantage when it comes to conference tournament time. Promote east vs. west or north vs. south match-ups.