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Cyhig said:
Yes, determining if the speed is criminal is at the discretion of the officer. But if the officer cites the driver for a criminal amount of speed, the driver is required to go to court. Even if you feel such a thing is "trivial," it still has to go through the legal process.
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And the Prosecutor in this case had the discretion to slap a fine, but they wanted to make a spectacle of it. Which I disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

The players gambled and shouldn't have - I agree.
The NCAA will most likely penalize them - I have no problem with this.
Criminal charges - Is laughable to me and I disagree with it. You want to punish them fine them the $640 for every bet they made, but criminal charges no I don't agree with that.
 
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isufbcurt said:
And the Prosecutor in this case had the discretion to slap a fine, but they wanted to make a spectacle of it. Which I disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

The players gambled and shouldn't have - I agree.
The NCAA will most likely penalize them - I have no problem with this.
Criminal charges - Is laughable to me and I disagree with it. You want to punish them fine them the $640 for every bet they made, but criminal charges no I don't agree with that.
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But the defendant has the right in criminal cases to have their case heard in court. Yes, the prosecutor can make a settlement with the defendant, That doesn't mean the defendant will agree to the settlement. It's still considered a crime. Just because you feel it may not be a crime doesn't change the fact that is indeed a crime
 
isufbcurt said:
And the Prosecutor in this case had the discretion to slap a fine, but they wanted to make a spectacle of it. Which I disagree with. That's all I'm saying.

The players gambled and shouldn't have - I agree.
The NCAA will most likely penalize them - I have no problem with this.
Criminal charges - Is laughable to me and I disagree with it. You want to punish them fine them the $640 for every bet they made, but criminal charges no I don't agree with that.
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You understand that they aren't being charged with underage gambling right?
 
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isufbcurt said:
Yeah that's my ******* point. Charge them with underage gambling and move on with a fine. We don't need a show by the prosecutor with the "tampering" BS.
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But if Dekkers did indeed tamper with evidence, it’s again a crime. If he feels he didn’t tamper with evidence, he can plead not guilty to the charge. A court will the decide if he is guilty of tampering.

If the prosecution has enough evidence to show he was tampering, then they should bring forth charges. It doesn’t matter if you feel tampering is “trivial”. The laws are created for a reason.

The DCI and prosecutor’s office are just doing their jobs.
 
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CloneLawman said:
If you don't know what the words you use mean, you might consider looking them up.

Tell us all what you think a sting operation is.
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God. How childish are you to continue to try to start an argument over something so silly as the exact definition of a "sting operation".

How many posts are you going to devote to it? I'm just curious.

We're all duly impressed with your legal acumen, Matlock.

I was using the term in a general sense. But I apologize profusely for my terrible sin.

Instead of creepily stalking my posts, maybe try another hobby.
 
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CloneLawman said:
If you are too stupid to use words correctly, then why bother using words at all?
I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm certainly not impressed with your ridiculous takes. Why don't you go back to ******** about how your poor team was picked on by the bad DCI.?

I'm not creeping your posts, arseling. If you continue to post ignorantly in threads I'm concerned about then I reserve the right to comment, though I think I will just put you on ignore so I don't need to read your drivel.
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Nice reply. Name calling, condescension and bluster. All of your hallmarks. But that's about what I'd expect.

But kudos for not including yet another reference to the absolute narrow and proper definition of "sting operation". I think you're making progress.
 
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Cyclonepride said:
It should go like this: did they bet on games that they could influence? Is there evidence to suggest that they did influence that game? If the answer is no/no or yes/no, case closed.
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That's where I'm coming from with all of this too.

The threat of "fixed' games was much greater a while ago when sports gambling was illegal and run by organized crime and athletes weren't paid.

And there were scandals too. The Boston College point shaving scheme in hoops comes to mind.

But times have changed. Sports betting is legal in 37 states now. FanDuel, Draft Kings, BetMGM, etc. all advertise heavily during games. FanDuel and BetMGM are even partnering with professional teams where they're the "official betting partner" of x or y team.

So any punishment should fit the crimes and the times. The NCAA's per gambling are completely outdated. It'll change soon I think, but for now we'll get the usual selective enforcement by the NCAA.
 
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Klubber said:
That's where I'm coming from with all of this too.

The threat of "fixed' games was much greater a while ago when sports gambling was illegal and run by organized crime and athletes weren't paid.

And there were scandals too. The Boston College point shaving scheme in hoops comes to mind.

But times have changed. Sports betting is legal in 37 states now. FanDuel, Draft Kings, BetMGM, etc. all advertise heavily during games. FanDuel and BetMGM are even partnering with professional teams where they're the "official betting partner" of x or y team.

So any punishment should fit the crimes and the times. The NCAA's per gambling are completely outdated. It'll change soon I think, but for now we'll get the usual selective enforcement by the NCAA.
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There are two aspects to this:

1) NCAA: the reasons you stated above is the exact reason why the NCAA is taking a near zero tolerance towards sports gambling. The integrity of the game can quickly come into question. I support the NCAA for a permanent ban if a player gambles on their own team. That should be agreeable amongst all of us

2) Legal: The above is not illegal. However, if a player is underage, tries to conceal evidence, uses false names, etc., then they are opening themselves up to possible legal action.

Best way to prevent any issues from a player’s standpoint: just don’t gamble on any sports while you are an active athlete. If you want to gamble on sports, wait until you are retired from playing sports
 
1UNI2ISU said:
But it wasn't just underage gambling. They intentionally concealed their identity and used other peoples names/SSNs to bet, there's a difference.
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He doesn’t want to hear it. Might as well stop interacting with him on this topic. He either doesn’t get it or doesn’t want to get it.
 
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I can’t wait to set up a background program just line the movie Office Space. The amount per transaction is so small that there is no way anyone is actually hurt. It’s not a violent crime. No one actually can notice anything being taken. I make millions


Can’t prosecute me. It’s not violent. No one is actually hurt to any criminal level.

Time to start working on the code.

 
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