ISU Gambling Megathread

[1UNI2ISU]

So were these specific people caught because of the Geo-Fence? Could, in theory, other players have done the same thing just outside of the team facilities? Or did the DCI sweep through all the database for potential rogue logins?

With Noah Shannon not being charged it makes me really confused. Did he escape charges because he used his real name/account? Or was he just off-site when he made bets? Or was he not actually caught up in this and self reported?

Shannon used his own name and own account and is of legal age. He did nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. The NCAA is a totally different matter.

All three state universities are geofenced because the license to operate says they have to prevent SAs and athletics staff from gambling. Any ping from a book app in or around the facility is going to lead to scrutiny. So say an SA ever opened the app in the facility, the book's software would know they had the app and they turned it over to the DCI to investigate from there.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Well, if they only worked on high priority cases for keeping Iowa's citizens safe, they would never investigate these types of cases. This is why there are often different departments within organizations.

I'm cool with that

 

[Cyballzz]

NCAA: If you do this thing, you can't play.

Player (s): does the thing.

NCAA: You can't play.

That's it. That's the story.

Its adorable you think the NCAA is that "simplistic."

 

[madguy30]

Its adorable you think the NCAA is that "simplistic."

And it's adorable that you think that's what I'm saying in relation to something this simple.

Were the players told not gamble, and what would happen if they gambled?

 

[CydeofFries]

Shannon used his own name and own account and is of legal age. He did nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. The NCAA is a totally different matter.

All three state universities are geofenced because the license to operate says they have to prevent SAs and athletics staff from gambling. Any ping from a book app in or around the facility is going to lead to scrutiny. So say an SA ever opened the app in the facility, the book's software would know they had the app and they turned it over to the DCI to investigate from there.

Right. Exactly. My point I'm trying to get to is, if he wasn't investigated by the DCI, how would the NCAA know he was gambling in the first place, if he didn't report it via the media day deal? Or are you assuming he was investigated, but was cleared from any criminal activity (because he used his own name/login)?

 

[Cyballzz]

And it's adorable that you think that's what I'm saying in relation to something this simple.

Were the players told not gamble, and what would happen if they gambled?

Ah yes... the NCAA... an organization famous for telling groups of people not to do something, those same people do it anyways and the NCAA metes out its "punishment" in a completely "consistent" manner.

 

[Cyhig]

I'm cool with that

To clarify, you’re ok with the fact organizations have multiple departments to handle the various types of cases or are you saying you’d be fine if they never used resources to investigate cases like underage gambling?

 

[CydeofFries]

Right. Exactly. My point I'm trying to get to is, if he wasn't investigated by the DCI, how would the NCAA know he was gambling in the first place, if he didn't report it via the media day deal? Or are you assuming he was investigated, but was cleared from any criminal activity (because he used his own name/login)?

To build on this: it would imply there's a group that have gambled, used their own names, not in facilities that were not caught up in the DCI investigation, but may be caught up in an NCAA one.

 

[Cyclonepride]

To clarify, you’re ok with the fact organizations have multiple departments to handle the various types of cases or are you saying you’d be fine if they never used resources to investigate cases like underage gambling?

Yes, I would rather have the resources that we commit to this concentrated on violent crimes.

 

[Cyhig]

Yes, I would rather have the resources that we commit to this concentrated on violent crimes.

Ok. So you’re saying if people are committing non violent crimes, the DCI shouldn’t use any resources to those cases. Very good. I guess we can just get rid of underage gambling laws altogether. These players didn’t do anything wrong. SMH

 

[Cyclonepride]

Ok. So you’re saying if people are committing non violent crimes, the DCI shouldn’t use any resources to those cases. Very good. I guess we can just get rid of underage gambling laws altogether. These players didn’t do anything wrong. SMH

I never said that they never did anything wrong, nor did I say that they didn't deserve their punishment. Perhaps the responsibility for preventing underage gambling should be on those who are making the money through gambling?

 

[Cyhig]

I never said that they never did anything wrong, nor did I say that they didn't deserve their punishment. Perhaps the responsibility for preventing underage gambling should be on those who are making the money through gambling?

So a parent creates a Draft Kings account under their name. They give the log in information to their underage child. The child then placed bets. Tell me what Draft Kings could had done differently to prohibit this from happening?

So far, you’ve blamed DCI for using time and money towards underage gambling, even though you don’t know how much time, money, or resources were used towards these cases. You then insinuate the DCI shouldn’t investigate any non violent crime. You then blamed these gambling companies for not having stricter guidelines to prohibit underage gambling, even though creating such strict regulations would be highly difficult to prevent 100% of underage gambling.

You know what? Neither would be to blame if the underage person didn’t gamble in the first place!!! The players and players alone are at fault

 

[madguy30]

Ah yes... the NCAA... an organization famous for telling groups of people not to do something, those same people do it anyways and the NCAA metes out its "punishment" in a completely "consistent" manner.

Were ISU's players told not to gamble and thrn did it anyway?

 

[3TrueFans]

The world would certainly be interesting if non-violent crimes were suddenly not crimes at all.

 

[Cyballzz]

Were ISU's players told not to gamble and thrn did it anyway?

I am assuming all players at every university were told not to gamble yet people are perfectly fine with an organization giving out punishments who didn't do a single second of investigation in the first place.

Either the NCAA can take the time investigate all their teams or the NCAA can **** off.

 

[Cyclonepride]

So a parent creates a Draft Kings account under their name. They give the log in information to their underage child. The child then placed bets. Tell me what Draft Kings could had done differently to prohibit this from happening?

So far, you’ve blamed DCI for using time and money towards underage gambling, even though you don’t know how much time, money, or resources were used towards these cases. You then insinuate the DCI shouldn’t investigate any non violent crime. You then blamed these gambling companies for not having stricter guidelines to prohibit underage gambling, even though creating such strict regulations would be highly difficult to prevent 100% of underage gambling.

You know what? Neither would be to blame of the underage person didn’t gamble in the first place!!! The players and players alone are at fault

Ban the parent upon discovery. Who would be harmed by that type of enforcement?

 

[1UNI2ISU]

To build on this: it would imply there's a group that have gambled, used their own names, not in facilities that were not caught up in the DCI investigation, but may be caught up in an NCAA one.

To reply to your replies.

Caveat. I've got a BIL that works in IT for a casino that houses a sportsbook in the state.

The book knows everything about every single bet that is placed and every single person that has the app downloaded onto their phone. The 3 state universities (and maybe Drake and Upper Iowa, not sure) are geofenced around athletic facilities. So just by walking into the facility with the app on your phone, the book knows that you could be participating in betting. From his understanding, if the software catches that it then pulls the account and looks for any bets or any suspicious login activity. The software itself then notifies the book's security team and pre-flags the DCI. The software also flags things like dual logins and things that are geographically impossible.

None of this shows or is reported to the user.

 

[Cyhig]

Ban the parent upon discovery. Who would be harmed by that type of enforcement?

Sure. DraftKings would suspend their account and prohibit them from signing up again. Their information would be sent to all other sport gambling platforms, prohibiting the involved people to sign up through other platforms.

But a crime was still committed. The parties involved will have to be investigated. If sufficient evidence is found, charges will be filed. The involved parties will then have the opportunity to state their cases, and a judge/jury will determine if they did indeed commit a crime. The involved parties will then face a punishment for the crimes.

 

[madguy30]

I am assuming all players at every university were told not to gamble yet people are perfectly fine with an organization giving out punishments who didn't do a single second of investigation in the first place.

Either the NCAA can take the time investigate all their teams or the NCAA can **** off.

The NCAA doesn't do the investigating and in places where it's illegal there aren't going to be guardrails to start an investigation.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Sure. DraftKings would suspend their account and prohibit them from signing up again. Their information would be sent to all other sport gambling platforms, prohibiting the involved people to sign up through other platforms.

But a crime was still committed. The parties involved will have to be investigated. If sufficient evidence is found, charges will be filed. The involved parties will then have the opportunity to state their cases, and a judge/jury will determine if they did indeed commit a crime. The involved parties will then face a punishment for the crimes.

Why? Who was harmed?