ISU Gambling Megathread

[nrg4isu]

Lots of overreaction (shocking I know) on this message board. When stuff like this comes up, you address the issues as best you can and then move on, again as best you can. CMC can't now change what has been done by players, DCI or the NCAA. He can control who gets reps in practices. He can also control how he personally treats the players involved.

I for one am looking forward to moving on. Lets see what this team is like on the field. New faces always means hope. We'll see what happens soon.

 

[mitchforcy]

I think people are underestimating the loss of Lee. In a three down lineman defense it is incredibly important to have very good play by your nose guard. Orange may be good but what about when he has to come out? He's definitely not ready to play every snap.

 

[tim_redd]

Here's one:

This seems like a good enough excuse to post one of my favorite videos.

 

[Cyhig]

Lots of overreaction (shocking I know) on this message board. When stuff like this comes up, you address the issues as best you can and then move on, again as best you can. CMC can't now change what has been done by players, DCI or the NCAA. He can control who gets reps in practices. He can also control how he personally treats the players involved.

I for one am looking forward to moving on. Lets see what this team is like on the field. New faces always means hope. We'll see what happens soon.

Agree 100%. What happened has happened. Some players made bad choices and they are feeling the affects of those bad choices. The majority of the players on the team were not gambling and have been working hard on and off the field. Time to support these players.

 

[madguy30]

Lots of overreaction (shocking I know) on this message board. When stuff like this comes up, you address the issues as best you can and then move on, again as best you can. CMC can't now change what has been done by players, DCI or the NCAA. He can control who gets reps in practices. He can also control how he personally treats the players involved.

I for one am looking forward to moving on. Lets see what this team is like on the field. New faces always means hope. We'll see what happens soon.

Not terribly reliable, but in the short clips of the team interacting with one another it would appear they moved on a long time ago.

 

[intrepid27]

IT WASN'T A ******* STING OPERATION!

The book's software detected suspicious activity and the book reported it to the DCI because their LICENSE SAYS THEY HAVE TO. The DCI referred the info to the county attorneys to decide on charges which they elected to pursue because THESE PEOPLE BROKE THE LAW.

I would imagine the books are reporting things to the DCI that transpire the exact same way all the time but we just don't hear about them because the people being charged aren't athletes.

This has been my understand as well but my question is this. Were athletes and athletic department employees the only ones on the entire campus involved in underage betting? That seems a bit unrealistic for me to think there was nobody outside the Athletic department that was doing the same thing.

 

[madguy30]

This has been my understand as well but my question is this. Were athletes and athletic department employees the only ones on the entire campus involved in underage betting? That seems a bit unrealistic for me to think there was nobody outside the Athletic department that was doing the same thing.

Isn't it an NCAA rule though?

 

[isufbcurt]

Isn't it an NCAA rule though?

I think his point is that DCI only investigated athletes when there are likely non-athletes also engaged in underage betting.

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

I think people are underestimating the loss of Lee. In a three down lineman defense it is incredibly important to have very good play by your nose guard. Orange may be good but what about when he has to come out? He's definitely not ready to play every snap.

JR Singleton says hello

 

[madguy30]

I think his point is that DCI only investigated athletes when there are likely non-athletes also engaged in underage betting.

That makes sense....who reported it? Like how would a non-athlete be reported?

Like non-athletes might do any recreational drug under the sun and nobody hears a peep but an athlete probably has a higher chance of it being reported by systems in place.

 

[Kinch]

That makes sense....who reported it? Like how would a non-athlete be reported?

Like non-athletes might do any recreational drug under the sun and nobody hears a peep but an athlete probably has a higher chance of it being reported by systems in place.

Easy to go to the public terminal in the Johnson County or Story County courthouse and see who has been charged. But that is the only way you can access the information like the complaint and affidavit .Most newspapers now do not have the staff to do this on a regular basis, so you do not know if a non-athlete is being charged.

 

[madguy30]

Easy to go to the public terminal in the Johnson County or Story County courthouse and see who has been charged. But that is the only way you can access the information like the complaint and affidavit .Most newspapers now do not have the staff to do this on a regular basis, so you do not know if a non-athlete is being charged.

I'm not talking about finding out who got reported.

What is the process for getting reported? Are there red flags sent from someone's account?

 

[houjix]

I'm not talking about finding out who got reported.

What is the process for getting reported? Are there red flags sent from someone's account?

Things like an account being accessed by multiple IP addresses can lead to a flag, especially if those logins occur geographically far apart in a short period of time.

 

[AllInForISU]

I think his point is that DCI only investigated athletes when there are likely non-athletes also engaged in underage betting.

Do you know that this was the case? As far as I know, we (the general public) don’t know who DCI investigated.

 

[State2015]

Insanely disappointed in Lee. It'd be harmless if he was just gambling on like NFL or NBA. But actively betting AGAINST ISU in a game that he played in is just ridiculous. They had painted him out to be a glue guy and a high character guy so to see him get busted with this is just sad. Good riddance though, I'll make sure to forget his name when I think about some of my favorite ISU d-lineman of this era

 

[alarson]

I think his point is that DCI only investigated athletes when there are likely non-athletes also engaged in underage betting.

On the whole campus? Sure.

But I don't think that's what they were looking at. The sportsbooks are tasked by regulation with preventing athletes from gambling. It would make sense that as part of that the sportsbooks would have a narrowly-tailored geofence around known athletics facilities that would flag certain data, especially if cross-referenced against the known addresses of the claimed account owners (parents, for example), and potentially against concurrent logins from different locations. A lot of things that could cause a flag for further review.

The sportsbooks are supposed to prevent underage gambling too, but a geofence wouldn't be as applicable there, because it could be happening anywhere, and it would be more difficult to investigate.

 

[CycloneErik]

Of course he doesn't.

I think we'd all agree that there were non-athletes engaged in sports betting on campus and that some of them were under the legal age to do so.

We don't know how many of those were detected by the sports books programs and reported to the DCI. We don't know if the programs designed to detect illegal gambling are keyed differently on athletes and non athletes, though that is likely a safe assumption.

We don't know what the DCI did, if anything, about investigating any of those reports.

We don't know if others were in fact charged or not for various applicable offenses.

There's a lot we don't know, but it is more fun to assume whatever one wants to assume and to make bold statements accordingly. This is the sports board way!

Whoa, now. I saw people discussing a headline. I pretty much know all anyone could ever know right there.

 

[Kinch]

I'm not talking about finding out who got reported.

What is the process for getting reported? Are there red flags sent from someone's account?

My guess is a reporter went to one of the terminals with a roster. And then when they ran the newspaper report on the computer, they just looked for “tampering with records” or whatever and compared it to the roster. I doubt if there are red flags. Just lots of checking and rechecking.

 

[madguy30]

My guess is a reporter went to one of the terminals with a roster. And then when they ran the newspaper report on the computer, they just looked for “tampering with records” or whatever and compared it to the roster. I doubt if there are red flags. Just lots of checking and rechecking.

Did you read what I'm asking?

 

[Kinch]

Did you read what I'm asking?

Misunderstood what you meant by the report. The answer to your question is found in the complaint and affidavit. The DCI won’t give it explicitly, as that will found in discovery, but read the full complaint and you get an idea of how it came to the DCI’s attention.