Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[HFCS]

WOW, check out the comments in this local BYU to the Big 12 story.

I hate to say it but Iowa/ISU seems incredibly friendly compared to Utah/BYU. I get why the Utah fans are so brainwashed into thinking the Big 12 is the worst conference in history with this level of bickering.

What Big 12 commish had to say about the ‘big-time value’ BYU brings to the league

Brett Yormark is eager to formally welcome BYU, along with Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati, to the Big 12 Saturday.

www.deseret.com

It's criminal they don't play each other this year. You can't let this much hatred fester.

 

[theshadow]

So the first 4 games are home games to reach 8 teams...then 4 "bowls"...then another 2 bowls or then a home game?

Only the first round is on campus.
Quarterfinals at bowl sites.
Semifinals at bowl sites.
Championship at bowl/neutral site.

Effectively, the six NY6 bowl sites (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, Peach, Cotton) are becoming the quarterfinal and semifinal sites.

 

[cyclones500]

WOW, check out the comments in this local BYU to the Big 12 story.

I hate to say it but Iowa/ISU seems incredibly friendly compared to Utah/BYU. I get why the Utah fans are so brainwashed into thinking the Big 12 is the worst conference in history with this level of bickering.

What Big 12 commish had to say about the ‘big-time value’ BYU brings to the league

Brett Yormark is eager to formally welcome BYU, along with Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati, to the Big 12 Saturday.

www.deseret.com

It's criminal they don't play each other this year. You can't let this much hatred fester.

Separate note: Is Matt Campbell's philosophy spreading?

--> As for his overall goals for BYU, Yormark wants the Cougars to be the best version of themselves.

 

[AlaCyclone]

The number 1 seed is always going to play the lowest ranked team, it does not matter after they are ranked from that point on, whether that is in the semis or the finals, that is the point of being the highest ranked team. You have to reward teams that win their conference title over those that do not even make the championship game for their conference. If TCU has to play a tougher opponent in the early rounds, then they should have won their championship game.
Unless you are willing to say to Alabama, you did not qualify for your conference championship game, but we are going to make you a #2 or #3 seed because you are Alabama. You have to reward the conference champions and I believe that they will find a way to make sure that the #1 seed does not play a 1 loss Alabama or Ohio State team to get to the finals, and if they have too, then so be it.

Make sense?

Yes, I do understand what you are saying, but I still don't like the artificial prop of giving a bye to a Conference Champion only to FOUR teams, as winning a conference does not inherently make one team better than another.

IMO, the #5 seed easily can be a better team than the #4 seed and possibly the #3 seed in more years than not. Winning a Conference Championship with a couple of losses does not automatically make a team better than another team that lost one game but did not win their conference. For example, in 2021, Baylor (11-2) would have been the #4 seed (instead of their #7 CFP Ranking) and eventual National Champion Georgia (12-1) would have been the #5 seed (instead of their #3 CFP ranking). That's a big swing due to the artifical prop.

I am all for having Conference Champions automatically qualify for the Playoff (That is very good), I just don't think winning a Conference Championship should have anything to do with top four seeding and an automatic bye. Then, that rule goes away for the 5-12 seeding. For example, TCU would have been #5 last year while Big Xii Champion K-State would have been #9. It's pretzel logic.

Back to my example from two years ago, Georgia (12-1) which was the run away best team in CFB all year until they slipped up and lost in the SEC Championship would have been the #5 seed under this ridiculous seeding scenario and played #4 Baylor (11-2) in the quarters. Georgia would have been fine and probably still won the 12 team CFB Playoff, but the # 1 seed would have had to play Georgia in the semis while two lesser teams met in the other semi: #2 Michigan (12-1) which was stomped by UGA in the Orange vs. #3 Cincinnati (13-0) which was stomped by Alabama in the Cotton if seeds held.

So, I am all for having teams automatically qualify for the CFP by winning their conference (regardless of record), but let the seeding be done without an artifical prop for the four byes. I can live with the top two seeds being required as a Conference Champion, but the 3rd and 4th spots should be more fluid. I suppose what I am trying to say is that being the #2 seed will provide an easier path to get to the Championship Game than the #1 seed has, and that is not fair to the #1 seed. Still have to win games to be the best, but #1 shouldn't have a potentially tougher road due to an artifical prop.

Either way, the 12 team CFP will be better than the current 4 team CFP! Iowa State would have made the 2020 CFP and played Florida (IIRC). That would have been FANTASTIC!

 

[Gunnerclone]

Omfg make a separate “Pods” and “Playoff Rules” threads dorks.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Omfg make a separate “Pods” and “Playoff Rules” threads dorks.

Right you are. Sorry, my bad!

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Yes, I do understand what you are saying, but I still don't like the artificial prop of giving a bye to a Conference Champion only to FOUR teams, as winning a conference does not inherently make one team better than another.

IMO, the #5 seed easily can be a better team than the #4 seed and possibly the #3 seed in more years than not. Winning a Conference Championship with a couple of losses does not automatically make a team better than another team that lost one game but did not win their conference. For example, in 2021, Baylor (11-2) would have been the #4 seed (instead of their #7 CFP Ranking) and eventual National Champion Georgia (12-1) would have been the #5 seed (instead of their #3 CFP ranking). That's a big swing due to the artifical prop.

I am all for having Conference Champions automatically qualify for the Playoff (That is very good), I just don't think winning a Conference Championship should have anything to do with top four seeding and an automatic bye. Then, that rule goes away for the 5-12 seeding. For example, TCU would have been #5 last year while Big Xii Champion K-State would have been #9. It's pretzel logic.

Back to my example from two years ago, Georgia (12-1) which was the run away best team in CFB all year until they slipped up and lost in the SEC Championship would have been the #5 seed under this ridiculous seeding scenario and played #4 Baylor (11-2) in the quarters. Georgia would have been fine and probably still won the 12 team CFB Playoff, but the # 1 seed would have had to play Georgia in the semis while two lesser teams met in the other semi: #2 Michigan (12-1) which was stomped by UGA in the Orange vs. #3 Cincinnati (13-0) which was stomped by Alabama in the Cotton if seeds held.

So, I am all for having teams automatically qualify for the CFP by winning their conference (regardless of record), but let the seeding be done without an artifical prop for the four byes. I can live with the top two seeds being required as a Conference Champion, but the 3rd and 4th spots should be more fluid. I suppose what I am trying to say is that being the #2 seed will provide an easier path to get to the Championship Game than the #1 seed has, and that is not fair to the #1 seed. Still have to win games to be the best, but #1 shouldn't have a potentially tougher road due to an artifical prop.

Either way, the 12 team CFP will be better than the current 4 team CFP! Iowa State would have made the 2020 CFP and played Florida (IIRC). That would have been FANTASTIC!

I get what you are saying, you do not like the auto bids for conference champions, I think its the only way to ensure that every conference gets at least one team in the playoffs every year. Otherwise, the SEC and B10 will try to fill up as many spots as they can and leave the other three conferences fighting over a couple of spots.

I tend to think that once the 12-team playoff starts, it will play out much like the NCAA basketball tournament bids. Really only 3 to 5 teams' each year are really good enough to win the championship in football, so the remaining teams, just getting into the playoff will be like making the BB tournament, and coaches and teams will be rewarding for qualifying, not winning the whole thing. ISU and EIU will never win a championship in football, they just do not have the talent to win enough games, but they do have enough to get into the playoff, that should be the goal.

 

[clone52]

The Playoff format with the 4 byes going to Conference Champions only is going to give the #01 seed a really bad ass #5 seed in the semis most years. My guess is that the #5 seed will usually be somebody like Alabama in 2011, Ohio State in 2022, etc. that had one slip up that cost them a Conference Championship against a not so impressive 4th best Conference Champions in the 4 vs. 5 matchup. Not worried about the #5 seeded team, but the #01 seed gets a tougher semi matchup if the #5 seed wins, which I expect will happen most years. Just something that stands out to me when I see the projections on a given year. Perhaps only the #01 and #02 seed should be Conference Champions only and let 3-12 seed itself out naturally (regardless of Conference Championship status).

That changes nothing for the #1 seed. If they don't give the top 4 seeds to conference champions, that #1 seed would just play the badass #4 seed instead of a badass #5 seed.

I guess if the #5 seed is actually the #2 or #3 seed, that would change. That has happened a couple times, with Alabama/Georgia and Clemson/ND.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Finally some actual realignment news.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I get what you are saying, you do not like the auto bids for conference champions, I think its the only way to ensure that every conference gets at least one team in the playoffs every year. Otherwise, the SEC and B10 will try to fill up as many spots as they can and leave the other three conferences fighting over a couple of spots.

I tend to think that once the 12-team playoff starts, it will play out much like the NCAA basketball tournament bids. Really only 3 to 5 teams' each year are really good enough to win the championship in football, so the remaining teams, just getting into the playoff will be like making the BB tournament, and coaches and teams will be rewarding for qualifying, not winning the whole thing. ISU and EIU will never win a championship in football, they just do not have the talent to win enough games, but they do have enough to get into the playoff, that should be the goal.

We need to move this conversation to this thread:

College Football Playoff expanding in 2024

There are 4 rounds of games in that month. 9-10 days between rounds instead of 7 days. 12/21 - Round 1 12/30-1/1 - Quarterfinals 1/10-1/11 - Semifinals 1/20 - Championship Oh yeah, I forgot they were going to 12 because I always wanted 8 in my mind (6 auto bid and 2 at large). 1/1 to 1/20...

cyclonefanatic.com

Cheers

 

[CascadeClone]

Finally some actual realignment news.

As much as that would be a positive for the Big12 to add 2 or 4, MHVer is a joke. He "heard" that from his neighbor's dog.

 

[AuH2O]

Finally some actual realignment news.

I'm sure this will be followed by plenty of "MHver doesn't actually know anything" posts, but the in house production cost point is very important. I've seen people talk about how that isn't going to be reported by GK and the PAC as a way to make the media deal seem better. I'm sure that's true, and Canzano and the likes will do the same.

But the schools are going to obviously understand this, so I will not be surprised at all to see the number pre-in-house production costs reported showing similar $ to the Big 12, yet AZ and CU still leaving. Followed by Canzano saying they were a bad fit anyway and the PAC is way better with SDSU and SMU anyway.

The streaming to $ tradeoff is going to be interesting by school.

-Oregon and UW are far less reliant on media dollars, so they will probably be willing to trade dollars for a higher percentage of linear.
- OSU and WSU are going to probably be stuck as the streaming option all the time anyway, so they are probably all in for maximizing dollars and would be fine with no linear if it meant getting a few more bucks.
- CU and Utah are interesting cases. Utah needs media dollars, and probably is in position to get a decent chunk of the linear slots, though Oregon is always going to get a good share, and at least early on CU with Deion is going to get some slots. So I think Utah would be a hardliner on getting closer to 50% linear, as they know this is a make or break period for them, and the window to build into a prominent program is the next few years for them
- Stanford and Cal are probably fine with more streaming if it means a few more dollars. Hell, they probably are in favor of something that gets their non-revenue sports a high quality streaming platform as part of the deal.
-AZ and ASU are a little tougher to figure. I would say AZ is mostly worried about getting good linear basketball slots.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

one of the the divisions did indeed go 0-6. After Georgia Tech trashed one of their teams, their coach said can we stop hearing about the SEC now?

Even at the division level, I don’t think this is right. In recent history, Georgia Tech beat SEC teams in bowl games in 2014 and 2016.

In 2014 the SEC went 7-5 and no division went 0-6. In 2016, the SEC went 6-7, but each division had 3 bowl victories.

 

[AlaCyclone]

That changes nothing for the #1 seed. If they don't give the top 4 seeds to conference champions, that #1 seed would just play the badass #4 seed instead of a badass #5 seed.

I guess if the #5 seed is actually the #2 or #3 seed, that would change. That has happened a couple times, with Alabama/Georgia and Clemson/ND.

I moved this to the following thread:

College Football Playoff expanding in 2024

There are 4 rounds of games in that month. 9-10 days between rounds instead of 7 days. 12/21 - Round 1 12/30-1/1 - Quarterfinals 1/10-1/11 - Semifinals 1/20 - Championship Oh yeah, I forgot they were going to 12 because I always wanted 8 in my mind (6 auto bid and 2 at large). 1/1 to 1/20...

cyclonefanatic.com

Cheers

 

[WalkingCY]

Quick search on Big 12 expansion: Found two really insignificant articles that dropped 6/29 & 6/30:

Big 12 expansion news: What colleges are heading to the Big 12? Latest college football realignment updates​

ByKayode Akinwumi
Modified Jun 29, 2023 15:15 IST

Big 12 expansion news: What colleges are heading to the Big 12? Latest college football realignment updates

Big 12 expansion is one of the most followed developments in college sports. As part of the larger conference realignment moves, its importance to fans and stakeholders alike cannot be overstated.

www.sportskeeda.com

Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big 12? A sneak peek at the Conference re-alignment and expansion rumors​

ByVincent Pensabene
Modified Jun 30, 2023 18:53 IST

Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big 12? A sneak peek at the Conference re-alignment and expansion rumors

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish have been one of the biggest college football brands and they want to see a great increase in their television rights.

www.sportskeeda.com

Ha, sportskeeda. Very informed sports journalism. (sarcasm)

 

[Gunnerclone]

Quick search on Big 12 expansion: Found two really insignificant articles that dropped 6/29 & 6/30:

Big 12 expansion news: What colleges are heading to the Big 12? Latest college football realignment updates​

ByKayode Akinwumi
Modified Jun 29, 2023 15:15 IST

Big 12 expansion news: What colleges are heading to the Big 12? Latest college football realignment updates

Big 12 expansion is one of the most followed developments in college sports. As part of the larger conference realignment moves, its importance to fans and stakeholders alike cannot be overstated.

www.sportskeeda.com

Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big 12? A sneak peek at the Conference re-alignment and expansion rumors​

ByVincent Pensabene
Modified Jun 30, 2023 18:53 IST

Why doesn't Notre Dame join the Big 12? A sneak peek at the Conference re-alignment and expansion rumors

The Notre Dame Fighting Irish have been one of the biggest college football brands and they want to see a great increase in their television rights.

www.sportskeeda.com

Ha, sportskeeda. Very informed sports journalism. (sarcasm)

Ahhh Sportskeeda, where every arsenal fan went to cope in the summer during the later Wenger years.

 

[Jkclone15]

WOW, check out the comments in this local BYU to the Big 12 story.

I hate to say it but Iowa/ISU seems incredibly friendly compared to Utah/BYU. I get why the Utah fans are so brainwashed into thinking the Big 12 is the worst conference in history with this level of bickering.

What Big 12 commish had to say about the ‘big-time value’ BYU brings to the league

Brett Yormark is eager to formally welcome BYU, along with Central Florida, Houston and Cincinnati, to the Big 12 Saturday.

www.deseret.com

It's criminal they don't play each other this year. You can't let this much hatred fester.

“I’d like to stay at 14 teams, even after the departures of OU and Texas,”

This is the first I've heard of 14 teams being the goal. Everyone says 16 to match the SEC/B1G. Is 14 the number because he thinks the conference has a shot to add Arizona/Colorado?

 

[SCNCY]

“I’d like to stay at 14 teams, even after the departures of OU and Texas,”

This is the first I've heard of 14 teams being the goal. Everyone says 16 to match the SEC/B1G. Is 14 the number because he thinks the conference has a shot to add Arizona/Colorado?

I caught that too. I wonder if it's because Utah and ASU have basically said no, while Arizona and Colorado have kept the line open.

 

[DrShip]

Makes me laugh that I think it's more likely the Big XII announces they're adding SDSU than the Pac 12. Not that I think either is particularly likely.

Pac 12 is a dumpster fire.

 

[PickSix]

I caught that too. I wonder if it's because Utah and ASU have basically said no, while Arizona and Colorado have kept the line open.

Or alternatively, he's talking to 4 schools, but only saying 2 spots are available as a way to get a couple to jump.

I do find it interesting that he has consistently hammered home the idea of a fourth time zone.

None of the 4 corners get you the 4th time zone all year round. At first I kinda dismissed it, but now I'm starting to think he might be up to something we aren't focused on. Surely there has to be a reason he's chosen to double down on the exact phrase time and time again, right?