Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

The problem with that argument is Ferentz is the right coach for Iowa. Without Ferentz, they would have record like Illini, Indiana or Huskers over the last decade.

Obviously, if they catch lightning in a bottle, maybe there is a year they could get in 12 team playoff. But it better happen before Washington and Oregon join.

He’s the right head coach but hiring his son as an OC is the biggest joke in cfb. There isn’t a single poster on this thread that couldn’t do a better job.

Also nothing says that Washington has any real staying power. I say that knowing they are going to beat sparty by at least three touchdowns in sept.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I have no doubt that more than 3 SEC get in consistently, partly because they'll have more teams ranked highly in early season polls based on program name more than anything else.

Last year, the SEC would probably have had three teams: Georgia (13-0), Tennessee (10-2) and Alabama (10-2), and they would have all belonged. I don't think high early rankings and program name would have had anything to do with it. Georgia won the National Championship beating Ohio State from the B1G and TCU from the Big Xii, Tennessee beat ACC Champion Clemson in the Orange Bowl and Alabama beat Big Xii Champion K-State in the Sugar Bowl. No other teams from the SEC would have been worthy last year. FWIW, I think other conferences getting three unworthy teams would deserve more scrutiny though.

 

[RonBurgundy]

I guess one thing that would tend to even out the CFP12 is that the four byes have to go to four CCG winners. So even if the SEC has 3 of the top 6 in the CFP poll, only the SEC CCG winner will get a bye.

 

[JHUNSY]

Last year, the SEC would probably have had three teams: Georgia (13-0), Tennessee (10-2) and Alabama (10-2), and they would have all belonged. I don't think high early rankings and program name would have had anything to do with it. Georgia won the National Championship beating Ohio State from the B1G and TCU from the Big Xii, Tennessee beat ACC Champion Clemson in the Orange Bowl and Alabama beat Big Xii Champion K-State in the Sugar Bowl. No other teams from the SEC would have been worthy last year. FWIW, I think other conferences getting three unworthy teams would deserve more scrutiny though.

Had they not lost to A&M, I think you would hear an argument for LSU in that boat as well last year.

 

[HFCS]

I guess one thing that would tend to even out the CFP12 is that the four byes have to go to four CCG winners. So even if the SEC has 3 of the top 6 in the CFP poll, only the SEC CCG winner will get a bye.

You're saying it is going to be like this or should be like this?

I would think having it like this would also help ratings to make it most likely the round of 8 is a somewhat national affair rather than regional.

 

[RonBurgundy]

You're saying it is going to be like this or should be like this?

I would think having it like this would also help ratings to make it most likely the round of 8 is a somewhat national affair rather than regional.

As I read the CFP12 playoff “rules”, it is going to be like this. Only CCG winners can receive a bye. The article I read specifically confirmed that even an undefeated Notre Dame will never receive a bye since they do not play in a CCG.

Bully for this rule. Of course, it will probably be lobbied and changed once an SEC team gets burned by this.

 

[HFCS]

As I read the CFP12 playoff “rules”, it is going to be like this. Only CCG winners can receive a bye. The article I read specifically confirmed that even an undefeated Norte Dame will never receive a bye since they do not play in a CCG.

Bully for this rule. Of course, it will probably be lobbied and changed once an SEC team gets burned by this.

I like that it should keep the SEC Champ away from the best ACC/Big 12 team most years too in case the winner of those conferences were to be underseeded. I guess it's possible the Pac or MWC/American sneaks in for a bye although I have to think those leagues might slip further and further back with their top teams plucked.

 

[Gonzo]

As I read the CFP12 playoff “rules”, it is going to be like this. Only CCG winners can receive a bye. The article I read specifically confirmed that even an undefeated Norte Dame will never receive a bye since they do not play in a CCG.

Bully for this rule. Of course, it will probably be lobbied and changed once an SEC team gets burned by this.

Pretty sure these rules currently in place for the 12-team playoff are only good for 2024 through 2025. Once the new contract is hammered out for the 2026 season and beyond everything is up for negotiation and could change.

 

[theshadow]

As I read the CFP12 playoff “rules”, it is going to be like this. Only CCG winners can receive a bye. The article I read specifically confirmed that even an undefeated Norte Dame will never receive a bye since they do not play in a CCG.

Bully for this rule. Of course, it will probably be lobbied and changed once an SEC team gets burned by this.

And the top 4 CCG winners will never get a home game in the new format. Three neutral games at bowl venues.

 

[theshadow]

You're saying it is going to be like this or should be like this?

I would think having it like this would also help ratings to make it most likely the round of 8 is a somewhat national affair rather than regional.

2022 CFP Rankings
1 Georgia* (bye)
2 Michigan* (bye)
3 TCU
4 Ohio State
5 Alabama
6 Tennessee
7 Clemson* (bye)
8 Utah* (bye)
9 Kansas State*
10 USC
11 Penn State
16 Tulane*

Playoff Format (seeds)
1 Georgia
9 Kansas State at 8 Tennessee

4 Utah
12 Tulane at 5 TCU

3 Clemson
11 Penn State at 6 Ohio State

2 Michigan
10 USC at 7 Alabama

 

[HFCS]

2022 CFP Rankings
1 Georgia* (bye)
2 Michigan* (bye)
3 TCU
4 Ohio State
5 Alabama
6 Tennessee
7 Clemson* (bye)
8 Utah* (bye)
9 Kansas State*
10 USC
11 Penn State
16 Tulane*

Playoff Format (seeds)
1 Georgia
9 Kansas State at 8 Tennessee

4 Utah
12 Tulane at 5 TCU

3 Clemson
11 Penn State at 6 Ohio State

2 Michigan
10 USC at 7 Alabama

Georgia over tenn
TCU over utah
Clemson Ohio st intrigues me, picking home team
Same w Alabama Michigan, I’d pick home team

 

[theshadow]

Georgia over tenn
TCU over utah
Clemson Ohio st intrigues me, picking home team
Same w Alabama Michigan, I’d pick home team

No home teams in the quarters. If we use the 2024 sites (for sake of argument), the quarters are Peach, Rose, Fiesta, and Sugar.

1 Georgia vs 8 Tennessee -- Peach
4 Utah vs 5 TCU -- Rose or Fiesta
3 Clemson vs 6 Ohio State -- Sugar or Fiesta
2 Michigan vs 7 Alabama -- Rose or Sugar

 

[Acylum]

At least all the speculation will be over tomorrow!

 

[AlaCyclone]

2022 CFP Rankings
1 Georgia* (bye)
2 Michigan* (bye)
3 TCU
4 Ohio State
5 Alabama
6 Tennessee
7 Clemson* (bye)
8 Utah* (bye)
9 Kansas State*
10 USC
11 Penn State
16 Tulane*

Playoff Format (seeds)
1 Georgia
9 Kansas State at 8 Tennessee

4 Utah
12 Tulane at 5 TCU

3 Clemson
11 Penn State at 6 Ohio State

2 Michigan
10 USC at 7 Alabama

The Playoff format with the 4 byes going to Conference Champions only is going to give the #01 seed a really bad ass #5 seed in the semis most years. My guess is that the #5 seed will usually be somebody like Alabama in 2011, Ohio State in 2022, etc. that had one slip up that cost them a Conference Championship against a not so impressive 4th best Conference Champions in the 4 vs. 5 matchup. Not worried about the #5 seeded team, but the #01 seed gets a tougher semi matchup if the #5 seed wins, which I expect will happen most years. Just something that stands out to me when I see the projections on a given year. Perhaps only the #01 and #02 seed should be Conference Champions only and let 3-12 seed itself out naturally (regardless of Conference Championship status).

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

The Playoff format with the 4 byes going to Conference Champions only is going to give the #01 seed a really bad ass #5 seed in the semis most years. My guess is that the #5 seed will usually be somebody like Alabama in 2011, Ohio State in 2022, etc. that had one slip up that cost them a Conference Championship against a not so impressive 4th best Conference Champions in the 4 vs. 5 matchup. Not worried about the #5 seeded team, but the #01 seed gets a tougher semi matchup if the #5 seed wins, which I expect will happen most years. Just something that stands out to me when I see the projections on a given year. Perhaps only the #01 and #02 seed should be Conference Champions only and let 3-12 seed itself out naturally (regardless of Conference Championship status).

Wouldn't the #1 seed play the lowest rated team that wins the first round games? So if Alabama is the 5th seed, they are not playing the #1 seed in the second round, that would fall to the lowest ranked winner of the four play in games.

I would guess that some type of rule will be imposed like in basketball that teams of the same conference will not play each other in the first or maybe even in the second round. So, we are not going to end up with Penn. State playing Ohio State in the first round, they will seed the teams to ensure that B10 and SEC are not knocking their own schools out in an early round game.

 

[AlaCyclone]

Wouldn't the #1 seed play the lowest rated team that wins the first round games? So if Alabama is the 5th seed, they are not playing the #1 seed in the second round, that would fall to the lowest ranked winner of the four play in games.

I would guess that some type of rule will be imposed like in basketball that teams of the same conference will not play each other in the first or maybe even in the second round. So, we are not going to end up with Penn. State playing Ohio State in the first round, they will seed the teams to ensure that B10 and SEC are not knocking their own schools out in an early round game.

In the proposed 12 team Playoff, 5-12 would play in the first round, and the winner of that game plays the 4 seed in the quarters while the 1 seed played the winner of the 8-9 game. Then, those two winners would meet in the semis. The # 1 seed would always be one win away from playing the 4-5-12 winner where the four could be a 2-3 loss conference champion and the 5 seed a 1 loss team who just happened to play and lose to another team (like Ohio State to Michigan last year).

Just look at last year. Two of the four teams in the CFP (TCU and Ohio State) were non-Conference Champions and would have been forced down in seeding under the new format. Plus, 3 of the 4 teams which would have received a bye (#2 Michigan, #3 Clemson and #4 Utah) lost their Bowl Game last year. Just not a fan of automatically giving byes to Conference Champions only. The top two would be okay, but not four.

IMO, Having the top 4 seeds automatically going to conference champions is going to make it wonky most years, especially if the 5 seed is a bad ass 1 loss non-conference champion.

Make sense?

 

[Kinch]

He’s the right head coach but hiring his son as an OC is the biggest joke in cfb. There isn’t a single poster on this thread that couldn’t do a better job.

Also nothing says that Washington has any real staying power. I say that knowing they are going to beat sparty by at least three touchdowns in sept.

I really don’t think Kirk is the right coach and it has nothing to do with the situation at OC.
No.1 He has cost the team, university and state lots of goodwill among African Americans.
No. 2, Kirk’s record vs. Iowa State is 13-10 while Hayden, starting from nothing, amassed a 16-4 record.
No. 3. Kirk is not honest with the media, fans or university. One little example is that he said he would review everything from top to bottom after Iowa state won last year,including Petras and his son. That didn’t happened. Kirk and the U of I make it very hard for journalists to do their job. The
No. 4. Kirk wasn’t even the first pick to replace Hayden and two in Hayden’s coaching tree had much more remarkable careers than Kirk.
No. 5. Iowa’s goal in hiring Hayden’s replacement should have been someone who could build on what Hayden did and take Iowa to the next level. That didn’t happen. When Iowa State replaced a legend, their next two hires took Iowa State to the next level, winning the Big 8 championship and then going to the elite 8.
Certainly, Kirk provided continuity and stability to the Iowa program. But that only serves the administration, not the fan base or university.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

In the proposed 12 team Playoff, 5-12 would play in the first round, and the winner of that game plays the 4 seed in the quarters while the 1 seed played the winner of the 8-9 game. Then, those two winners would meet in the semis. The # 1 seed would always be one win away from playing the 4-5-12 winner where the four could be a 2-3 loss conference champion and the 5 seed a 1 loss team who just happened to play and lose to another team (like Ohio State to Michigan last year).

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Just look at last year. Two of the four teams in the CFP (TCU and Ohio State) were non-Conference Champions and would have been forced down in seeding under the new format. Plus, 3 of the 4 teams which would have received a bye (#2 Michigan, #3 Clemson and #4 Utah) lost their Bowl Game last year. Just not a fan of automatically giving byes to Conference Champions only. The top two would be okay, but not four.

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IMO, Having the top 4 seeds automatically going to conference champions is going to make it wonky most years, especially if the 5 seed is a bad ass 1 loss non-conference champion.

Make se

In the proposed 12 team Playoff, 5-12 would play in the first round, and the winner of that game plays the 4 seed in the quarters while the 1 seed played the winner of the 8-9 game. Then, those two winners would meet in the semis. The # 1 seed would always be one win away from playing the 4-5-12 winner where the four could be a 2-3 loss conference champion and the 5 seed a 1 loss team who just happened to play and lose to another team (like Ohio State to Michigan last year).

Just look at last year. Two of the four teams in the CFP (TCU and Ohio State) were non-Conference Champions and would have been forced down in seeding under the new format. Plus, 3 of the 4 teams which would have received a bye (#2 Michigan, #3 Clemson and #4 Utah) lost their Bowl Game last year. Just not a fan of automatically giving byes to Conference Champions only. The top two would be okay, but not four.

IMO, Having the top 4 seeds automatically going to conference champions is going to make it wonky most years, especially if the 5 seed is a bad ass 1 loss non-conference champion.

Make sense?

The number 1 seed is always going to play the lowest ranked team, it does not matter after they are ranked from that point on, whether that is in the semis or the finals, that is the point of being the highest ranked team. You have to reward teams that win their conference title over those that do not even make the championship game for their conference. If TCU has to play a tougher opponent in the early rounds, then they should have won their championship game.
Unless you are willing to say to Alabama, you did not qualify for your conference championship game, but we are going to make you a #2 or #3 seed because you are Alabama. You have to reward the conference champions and I believe that they will find a way to make sure that the #1 seed does not play a 1 loss Alabama or Ohio State team to get to the finals, and if they have too, then so be it.

Make sense?

 

[HFCS]

No home teams in the quarters. If we use the 2024 sites (for sake of argument), the quarters are Peach, Rose, Fiesta, and Sugar.

1 Georgia vs 8 Tennessee -- Peach
4 Utah vs 5 TCU -- Rose or Fiesta
3 Clemson vs 6 Ohio State -- Sugar or Fiesta
2 Michigan vs 7 Alabama -- Rose or Sugar

So the first 4 games are home games to reach 8 teams...then 4 "bowls"...then another 2 bowls or then a home game?

 

[HFCS]

At least all the speculation will be over tomorrow!

Is tomorrow the day Southern Methodist officially joins their cultural identical twin Cal in eternal bliss?