Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)
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"The math doesn't allow for 13x9."
"I'm not sure how the math works on that."
So I showed you how the math works on that.
Also, an uneven number of games would be a huge non-starter. Imagine a 7-3 team missing the CCG in favor of a 7-2 team, or an 8-2 team jumping a 7-2 team.
Not much different than a team that lucked out not having to play a couple of the best teams getting in because of an easier schedule. The second everyone isn't playing everyone its all imbalanced. Win % is just as good a measure at that point.
They wouldn’t have some teams play more conference games than others lol. They aren’t going to just have 13 teams anyways. There’s a reason they’ve looked into schools like UCONN. They have a plan for if an odd amount of PAC schools want to join.
Take Colorado. Then say there is one more potential spot. Arizona can decided quickly and take that spot. Or roll the dice with GK and the PAC 12. With Colorado gone, the PAC 12 must elevate 3 G5 schools instead of 2. It just gets worse for the PAC 12. Big 12 meanwhile waits. Like a cat with a mouse.
I don’t necessarily want SDSU but I 100% want BY to walk in there and snatch them from under the nose of GK and the Pac 12. Be hilarious
That would be hilarious, and it would be even more hilarious to watch speedy's reaction.
San diego state likely has more value than arz state or utah.
Why double dip in utah or arizona?
my guess(uneducated guess) is getting into san diego with a decent brand would trump doubling down on utah or arizona.
I would not HATE
Az, colo, San Diego State, uconn, zaga.
And if we're really going to market hoops separately, add nova, st johns, and Georgetown.
i mean that basketball contract would be way more valuable.
Why double dip in utah or arizona?
my guess(uneducated guess) is getting into san diego with a decent brand would trump doubling down on utah or arizona.
I would not HATE
Az, colo, San Diego State, uconn, zaga.
And if we're really going to market hoops separately, add nova, st johns, and Georgetown.
i mean that basketball contract would be way more valuable.
Arizona state and Utah are P5, SDSU isn’t. Markets don’t matter as much, but Arizona is big enough(and growing) to have two. Utah is the best football school we could add. SDSU is a Pac backfill option. If they had any value they would have been invited to the PAC right after USC and UCLA left.
Not to mention the enormous marketing clout of hated rivalries.
After Oregon & Washington, Utah and ASU are the most valuable media rights programs in the Pac10. The reason they have been quiet and resistant to Big12 talk is they think there is a chance of Big10 or SEC interest down the line. So they are walking the tightrope between what CU/UA decide and what options are presented to OR WA.
SDSU is probably closer to OSU and WSU.
For the Big 12 ESPN model the market size and duplicating markets means almost nothing. It isn’t about jamming a network into regional cable to make grandma watching game show network pay an extra couple bucks a month. This is all about getting eyeballs on games and sticking some games on plus and having fanbases that Will pony up the cash.
Utah has this more than anyone other than UW and Oregon. SDSU does not.
No way. ASU is a R1 University that has one of the largest student populations in the country. a billion+ dollar endowment, AAU membership, and is firmly planted in one of the largest and fastest growing metropolitan areas, so there's almost limitless growth potential. It's got most of the advantages SDSU has, but is a far more mature version.
Their reach is even broader if you factor in the fact that they have one of the largest online education programs in the country, which may line up well with the Big 12's goal of developing a coast-to-coast footprint.
ASU would be a great catch for us.
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Brand is important, and that’s too much of a big East redux for me.
This last part nails it. You could argue among those 3 (I think WSU, SDSU, OR St), but they’re all well down the list.
The idea SDSU is more valuable than Utah or ASU (even with doubling up in a market, which isn’t really a consideration for the B12) is laughable. If that was true, SDSU would’ve been added to the B12 in 2021. If not then, the PAC would have added them after USCLA left.
The short answer is: it won't. I really don't know who's driving all this recent BS about an imminent PAC deal that'll be the same or more than the Big XII deal. That's just not going to happen.
The PAC is a dead/dying conference that really has no options for expansion moving forward.
The B1G, SEC, and the Big XII all have legitimate adds going forward so they're not only more valuable now but in the near future too.
I mean, when the ACC gets poached, the majority will end up in the above 3 conferences. Who'll the PAC add in that scenario, Wake Forest? And who can they add out West that moves the needle?
So sticking together for a few more years out of some misplaced nostalgia, with some crappy patchwork TV deal, will only put those teams even more behind the 8 ball.
I don't know what'll end up happening, but CU and 'Zona would be nuts to stay on that sinking ship when they have a Big XII offer there for the taking. I'm assuming the rumors of said offer are accurate.
I'm with ya. No sense in inviting a university that dilutes us, just for the sake of even conference slates.
If CU is the only PAC school we can pry away, just do it and see how things develop. Uconn and Memphis will always be there at any point down the road.
A couple seasons of uneven scheduling isn't going to kill us.
They have options, just not good ones. Everything else is dead on and perfectly sums up their dilemma.
What leverage does the school have in this situation? In the case of SDSU and the MWC, why would the MWC willingly agree to extend the deadline of the discounted departure penalty? It sounds like the MWC conference told SDSU to pound sand which is what I would have expected.