I guess to those it win it, it means a lot but I don't really remember that team for the tournament title, I remember them for the first round loss.
Does the B12 Tournament matter?
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I remember them for not living up to their high end potential, which means both that conference tournament title AND the first round loss loom large. That 9 day window embodied exactly what that team was.
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Yeah, kind of crazy to look at all the talent on that team. From a pure talent standpoint. That had to be one of the most talented teams ISU has ever had.
I remember early in that season when they ran KU out of the gym in Hilton and I was thinking they'd win the league.
I've never liked a respectable ISU team less. I was just mad for most of the rest of the year when I watched them.
Again, it benefits me greatly. You keep saying things that are wrong.
Imagine having such a pathetic life that you screenshot other people to make a pathetic and irrelevant point.
Trophies are cheap. Award one to the regular season and CCG/Tournament Champ in both sports.
McClure played on 4 Baylor teams that didn't even sniff the championship game. Heck, they only won one tournament game in his 4 tournaments. One of these things is likely true:
- Those Baylor squads never made the championship game because his teams shared this attitude about the Big 12 Tourney.
- Those Baylor teams never had tournament success so they downplay its importance.
Just because one guy on one team didn't like the tournament doesn't mean it is an attitude shared by all Big 12 players - especially players who have tasted success in it.
That makes sense, but I assume Bob wants to die on King McClure Hill.
EDIT: I see Bob has no substantive response to your argument and prefers to dumb my post.
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I haven't really listened to the interviews the last few years, but when they have interviewed the head of the committee in the past they have dropped comments about this conference tourney champ or that moving up due to their performance in their conference tourney. I will take that over what any talking head says.
Yes, we should go back to the preseason/holiday conference tournament like all of the other conferences do.
Wait, what...?
Start a thread asking our opinion if it matters. Then argue that our opinions are wrong because of what one player said.
It's almost like the question wasn't intended to have an answer contrary to the OP's opinion.
It's almost like the question wasn't intended to have an answer contrary to the OP's opinion.
It’s just more regular season games for the most part, but at the same time can be very beneficial to lower rated teams, especially outside the P6 where some bids are more likely to be stolen.
Obviously the players care, and want to win. The coaches want the better seeding that can come from a few wins in it. Nothing wrong with getting hot in March.
Obviously the players care, and want to win. The coaches want the better seeding that can come from a few wins in it. Nothing wrong with getting hot in March.
But that's because that team having the talent to win the tournament title wasn't so much in question, but losing the first game was a huge underperformance.
If this team won the big 12 tournament but didn't make it out of the first weekend, this season would still overall be a successful one.
The tourney vs regular season debate is one that's been hashed out many times, and there's really no right answer.
Yes, winning a conference title requires more consistency over 2 months. But its not like everything is equal there either. Some teams benefit from where they faced other teams in the schedule as some teams have injuries, go through slumps, etc. I'm sure there are teams that are happy to have played us in february instead of January. You could just as easily say the conference title means a lot because in theory those teams should be at their peak level from a coaching perspective and everyone is getting each other under similar circumstances. But neither one is a perfect way of describing who is the best.
At the end of the day its fun, and that's what basketball is supposed to be.
Yes, winning a conference title requires more consistency over 2 months. But its not like everything is equal there either. Some teams benefit from where they faced other teams in the schedule as some teams have injuries, go through slumps, etc. I'm sure there are teams that are happy to have played us in february instead of January. You could just as easily say the conference title means a lot because in theory those teams should be at their peak level from a coaching perspective and everyone is getting each other under similar circumstances. But neither one is a perfect way of describing who is the best.
At the end of the day its fun, and that's what basketball is supposed to be.
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