Alec Baldwin

[Gorm]

One of the other guys involved already cut a deal. I would assume, unless Baldwin does his normal bold headed type stuff, will cut a deal to stay out of jail and pay a fine.

I would agree. I think they want to pin this case on the armorer.

I still want to see the evidence though. I have a feeling due to the media storms that have occurred with other recent big trials, that they may want to try and avoid that. Something I'm sure hundreds of legal YouTube bloggers do NOT want to happen.

 

[isutrevman]

But it is on a movie site so it’s wildly different than your scenario

It shouldn't be.

 

[JP4CY]

I think a really integral piece to this case will be the "logged work hours." If those in charge of production (Baldwin) made workers work more than what their union allows, it'll get dicey. Word at the time was that some workers left the set before "the shooting" due to being over worked.

 

[ISUTex]

Did he point the gun at her and pull the trigger, thinking it was unloaded or loaded with blanks? Or did he mishandle the gun and it went off, and she was in the wrong spot?

 

[alarson]

Did he point the gun at her and pull the trigger, thinking it was unloaded or loaded with blanks? Or did he mishandle the gun and it went off, and she was in the wrong spot?

I believe the shot was supposed to be a 'down the barrel' shot where the gun is pointed at the camera and the gun is supposed to have a dummy round in it

 

[KnappShack]

Alec Baldwin is one of those guys where I don't know if he's a heel or a face.

Guy is obviously talented. A fantastic interview. Funny fella.

Then he calls his daughter a pig and gets in parking lot fights.

 

[cyfanatic]

Did he point the gun at her and pull the trigger, thinking it was unloaded or loaded with blanks? Or did he mishandle the gun and it went off, and she was in the wrong spot?

I haven't followed this story much...but did he aim the gun at the person killed intentionally or did he pick the gun up and pull the trigger without aiming it intentionally at anyone?

 

[JP4CY]

Alec Baldwin is one of those guys where I don't know if he's a heel or a face.

Guy is obviously talented. A fantastic interview. Funny fella.

Then he calls his daughter a pig and gets in parking lot fights.

I think most people's opinions of him are probably based politically and I say that as in no right/wrong and 100% not trying to cave this thread.
I know others probably think that as well but maybe don't want to say/unsure how to tread on it.

 

[NorthCyd]

 

[houjix]

I believe the shot was supposed to be a 'down the barrel' shot where the gun is pointed at the camera and the gun is supposed to have a dummy round in it

And even dummy rounds can kill. Blanks still propel stuff out of the barrel at the same speed of a bullet. At close range, that can be deadly.

 

[drmwevr08]

As an actor I see little likelihood of culpability. The armorer, yes, could definitely be some since this is exactly why they exist. If they were unqualified that doesn't excuse them but could implicate whoever hired them if they knew better.

 

[BCClone]

I haven't followed this story much...but did he aim the gun at the person killed intentionally or did he pick the gun up and pull the trigger without aiming it intentionally at anyone?

What I remember from when it first came out, he was messing around, aimed it at the person and fired, assuming it had blanks. There was real ammo around because they were shooting the guns for target practice or something at nights.

 

[alarson]

And even dummy rounds can kill. Blanks still propel stuff out of the barrel at the same speed of a bullet. At close range, that can be deadly.

Dummy rounds can't, blanks can. Dummy rounds have no propellant.

 

[iahawkhunter]

What I remember from when it first came out, he was messing around, aimed it at the person and fired, assuming it had blanks. There was real ammo around because they were shooting the guns for target practice or something at nights.

I could see liability for the actor if they are fooling around with the gun. Seems like that's a different circumstance than an accident happening during the course of filming a scene.

 

[Lineup]

scumbag

 

[WooBadger18]

It shouldn't be.

It absolutely should. Or else we have to get rid of hockey and football, because the players and coaches are committing at a minimum disorderly conduct on every single play.

Assuming it happened as part of making the movie (i.e. he wasn't just fooling around, I think that complicates things), I don't think he should be charged. I think it's less like your example, because you should never point a gun at someone in the "real world," and more like the following one: your parents are elderly and you're picking up their medication and making sure they take it. Unbeknownst to you, the pharmacist has an it's a wonderful life moment and puts cyanide in the pill instead of medication. You shouldn't be charged with manslaughter for killing your parents even though you were the one who gave them the cyanide pill

 

[Gorm]

You shouldn't be charged with manslaughter for killing your parents even though you were the one who gave them the cyanide pill

Unless there was evidence that you were somehow complicit in those actions.

The DA seems to have something that they aren't sharing yet. There were rumors that Alec and this particular camera operator had some less than positive interactions on the set prior to this incident. I'd be curious to see what evidence the DA has collected in regards to that.

 

[Cyrocks]

I'd venture a guess that these events have given the industry a bit of a wake up call. Wouldn't surprise me if a ton of focus on weapon props / process for using...etc has been radically changed since the shooting occurred.

Has there been another incident in history where an accidental "prop gun" shooting occured and people were charged? I can't find one, although there may have been. Even the person who killed Brandon Lee on The Crow set didn't get charged. I do believe there was a civil suit though.

You are right.

Accidents happen, unfortunately. I could understand a reckless endangerment charge. Involuntary manslaughter seems a bit much -- unless, like you stated in an earlier post, there is more to the investigation than what is being reported.

 

[Marcelason78]

This seems like more of a civil liability case though than a criminal case.

As a producer, by hiring people who were supposed to handle this (the armorer and assistant director who is in charge of on set safety, both who apparently ****** up here), that itself would seem to mitigate claims of negligence on the part of the producers (and note, the other producers aren't facing charges)

We'll have to see the full evidence, but it seems like a prosecutor with a motive to me early on.

The civil case will be filed about a day after this criminal trial is completed. As some have already posted, he’ll plead down on the first case and write big check for the second.

 

[mynameisjonas]

You don’t point a gun at someone and pull the trigger, that’s just ridiculous. He belongs in prison for probably 3 to 5 years.