*** Official Iowa State Season Thread ***

[Tlyon]

To be fair, every coach in every league would have a similar list. The difference is you’re close enough to ISU to be able to recite them whereas you wouldn’t know 99% of those at other programs.

Saying Prohm has largely failed because of bad luck would be the same as Hoiberg only succeeded because of good luck. I don’t think either is correct.

I agree, I don’t think a correct assessment to prohms lack of success is just bad luck. It’s been a variety of things, but I think bad luck certainly is part. I apologize if I made it seem like I thought it was the only thing.

You are also right that teams often deal with similar things, but I will say the Malou and Tyrese points are more unique. It’s rare for a juco player to sign then go to the nba and for your lottery pick to get a season ending injury. The two recent examples I can think of are Embiid and Garland. Though Embiid was at the end of the season and Garland was 5 games in so that’s closer to Tyrese I believe.

 

[cycloneworld]

We can dissect this TCU game and this roster all day long but the fact that we need to play nearly perfectly to beat a bad TCU team is all we need to know about the status of the program. 5 years ago we still may have lost this game but we would also have good wins against teams in the upper level of the conference to offset them.

I hope this team can get over the hump and get some wins this year. But I REALLY hope we don't have to endure another season with Prohm leading the program. Because it is crystal clear that its not going to work here in the short or long term.

 

[Cycl1]

We can dissect this TCU game and this roster all day long but the fact that we need to play nearly perfectly to beat a bad TCU team is all we need to know about the status of the program. 5 years ago we still may have lost this game but we would also have good wins against teams in the upper level of the conference to offset them.

I hope this team can get over the hump and get some wins this year. But I REALLY hope we don't have to endure another season with Prohm leading the program. Because it is crystal clear that its not going to work here in the short or long term.

A bad TCU team who was missing one of their top players.

 

[Cy$]

After the loss last night, I was wondering to myself if all other 9 coaches in the Big 12 were coaching this ISU team - would we still be 2-11. I think the answer is a resounding no. I firmly believe Prohm is the worst coach in the league and it’s not particularly close. These schemes and end of game situations have cost us several games.

I was told he’s a top half big coach last year. I didn’t think it was even a debatable statement but appeared to be so.

 

[moores2]

We can dissect this TCU game and this roster all day long but the fact that we need to play nearly perfectly to beat a bad TCU team is all we need to know about the status of the program. 5 years ago we still may have lost this game but we would also have good wins against teams in the upper level of the conference to offset them.

I hope this team can get over the hump and get some wins this year. But I REALLY hope we don't have to endure another season with Prohm leading the program. Because it is crystal clear that its not going to work here in the short or long term.

we literally went 9 minutes of game time without a FG, and lost by 3. I don't know where this near perfect game is coming from.

 

[Tpups21]

I’ve seen Cunningham play twice now and both times he actually hurt his team. He’s a ball hog who throws up bad shots. Maybe it was his two worst games, but he was terrible in my opinion. He was 5-22 in one game and a lot of his shots was just him driving into triple teams and throwing up a terrible shot. The other game he was 5-13, but he was doing the same thing as the other game and it was him hogging the ball and driving into triple teams and throwing up bad shots. He was lucky and got a bunch of fouls called. He actually hurt his team in both games by being a ball hog. Maybe it was his two worst games of the year, but based on what I saw it doesn’t surprise me he’s not on that list.

Agree. I think Cunningham is pretty overrated. Just haven’t been that impressed.

 

[isucy86]

I knew Tcu was bad, but holy hell they are much worse than I thought

should be another barn burner in Ames in two weeks, I really think we can beat Tcu

I hope we can beat TCU in Ames, but one of their top players missed yesterdays game because of illness. Gonna be tough to get a Big12 win this year- at some point I would expect the players to lose their intensity.

 

[isucy86]

Jamie Dixon is a good coach in a tough job at TCU

remember when he was rumored to be interested in ISU in 2015?

Dixon is an alumni of TCU, so maybe its where he wants to end his coaching career. TCU has hit a tough couple years, but TCU has potential to be a great job with the right coach. Texas produces a ton of quality basketball players, so he can build a top 25 roster with just in-state kids.

Also feel that smaller private schools offer a campus atmosphere that appeals to some kids. IMO one of the reasons Greg McDermott has had success at Creighton.

 

[Halincandenza]

I hope we can beat TCU in Ames, but one of their top players missed yesterdays game because of illness. Gonna be tough to get a Big12 win this year- at some point I would expect the players to lose their intensity.

yeah Miles is a good guard and him being out should have meant a win but ISU is just that bad.

 

[BryceC]

**** you , their inability to toughen up and grab boards is what cost them the game. Prohm and I’m not sticking up for him isn’t out there rebounding

This steam sucks at rebounding to a degree you very rarely see at the high major level. He recruited these guys and coaches these guys. If they can't rebound it's 100% on him for either recruiting the wrong guys or coaching them incorrectly. There is no other option.

 

[Torks Pub]

Dixon is an alumni of TCU, so maybe its where he wants to end his coaching career. TCU has hit a tough couple years, but TCU has potential to be a great job with the right coach. Texas produces a ton of quality basketball players, so he can build a top 25 roster with just in-state kids.

Also feel that smaller private schools offer a campus atmosphere that appeals to some kids. IMO one of the reasons Greg McDermott has had success at Creighton.

It has nothing to do with being an alum.

Dixon recently played footsie with UCLA similar to what Fred did with Minnesota. TCU wouldn't release Dixon so he is still at TCU. I suspect he screwed his recruiting too.

 

[CascadeClone]

Rebounding is so much related to effort and many of the players don't want to put in the effort to rebound.

People keep talking about effort wrt rebounding, and while that is part of it, I think having a feel for how the ball bounces is more important - a "nose for the ball" as the saying goes. Of course none of our guys have that either, but that is a recruiting and skill development thing.

 

[isucy86]

One of the bigger problems with this team the last couple years is a dependency on Solomon Young. Hate bagging on the guy, because he's been so loyal to the program, but he should never be first, second, or even third option offensively, and takes several plays per game off on the defensive side of the ball. No hustle out of the young man. Kind of plays like a guy who knows he is one option out of about one and a half options, will get his PT regardless of the effort he puts forth.

Solomon is hard to figure out. I can't tell if it is an effort issue or the cumulative effect of injuries. He has very little quick movement when it comes to rebounding or diving for loose balls.

IMO one of the issues with ISU's recruiting is the staff doesn't value post players. CSP is satisfied to have 10 guards/wings and 3 post players.

• I know people like to say Hinson is the ideal small ball 4, but he isn't. He's the ideal small ball 3. I expect if one asked Hinson, he would feel his future NBA prospects and talent can best be developed as SF.
• To expect Foster to come in and be a physical Big12 post player was also not realistic. The biggest criticism of Foster's play in HS was his lack of physicality. And that was from people who develop and coach at the HS/AAU level. So to expect he would be a Big12 ready post, wasn't reasonable. At best he was going to be 20mpg 4/5 player.
• Young and Conditt are this year what they have always been. Solomon is a solid post on offense, but a weak post defender and bad rebounder. Conditt has been an enigma- just no consistency.

Why the staff didn't go hard after a JUCO post last recruiting cycle is just poor roster construction.

 

[Statefan10]

This steam sucks at rebounding to a degree you very rarely see at the high major level. He recruited these guys and coaches these guys. If they can't rebound it's 100% on him for either recruiting the wrong guys or coaching them incorrectly. There is no other option.

Average rebounding ranking overall in Prohm's career:

Nation - Team = 218th of 350, Opponent = 253rd of 350
Conference - Team = 7th, Opponent = 8.5

I believe that makes us the worst in the conference in that span of time.

 

[heitclone]

Solomon is hard to figure out. I can't tell if it is an effort issue or the cumulative effect of injuries. He has very little quick movement when it comes to rebounding or diving for loose balls.

IMO one of the issues with ISU's recruiting is the staff doesn't value post players. CSP is satisfied to have 10 guards/wings and 3 post players.

• I know people like to say Hinson is the ideal small ball 4, but he isn't. He's the ideal small ball 3. I expect if one asked Hinson, he would feel his future NBA prospects and talent can best be developed as SF.
• To expect Foster to come in and be a physical Big12 post player was also not realistic. The biggest criticism of Foster's play in HS was his lack of physicality. And that was from people who develop and coach at the HS/AAU level. So to expect he would be a Big12 ready post, wasn't reasonable. At best he was going to be 20mpg 4/5 player.
• Young and Conditt are this year what they have always been. Solomon is a solid post on offense, but a weak post defender and bad rebounder. Conditt has been an enigma- just no consistency.

Why the staff didn't go hard after a JUCO post last recruiting cycle is just poor roster construction.

IRRC, they didn't really target a big during the spring transfer season either. Seems like Prohm keeps waiting for Conditt to come around.

 

[isucy86]

Bolton is pretty good but I don't think he is one of the best guards in the conference.

Bolton is one of the better offensive guards in the conference. But he is also a liability on defense guarding opponents. Opposing coaches consistently take advantage of it during games, using screens to get their better guards matched up with Bolton.

 

[Statefan10]

IRRC, they didn't really target a big during the spring transfer season either. Seems like Prohm keeps waiting for Conditt to come around.

And statistically, Conditt is the worst he's ever been this year.

 

[CycloneErik]

Bolton is one of the better offensive guards in the conference. But he is also a liability on defense guarding opponents. Opposing coaches consistently take advantage of it during games, using screens to get their better guards matched up with Bolton.

He may be one of the better one-on-one offensive guards in the conference, but he can't rank very highly in terms of getting others involved. Like you said, his defense is poor.

 

[CycloneVet]

This steam sucks at rebounding to a degree you very rarely see at the high major level. He recruited these guys and coaches these guys. If they can't rebound it's 100% on him for either recruiting the wrong guys or coaching them incorrectly. There is no other option.

I’m not trying to argue with you. The coaching sucks no doubt about it. But some of this is on the players. Rebounding is 90% effort and will. I have seen middle school teams rebound with more intensity. When you have 4 Cyclones around the rebound and the lone TCU guy gets it more than once then I’m not sure what coaches can do there.

 

[CycloneVet]

This steam sucks at rebounding to a degree you very rarely see at the high major level. He recruited these guys and coaches these guys. If they can't rebound it's 100% on him for either recruiting the wrong guys or coaching them incorrectly. There is no other option.

Dustin Hogue was 6’4 maybe and was one of the top rebounders in the conference. He was relentless.