That’s a great question. It’s just another baffling thing that there isn’t any readily available answers to.
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That’s a great question. It’s just another baffling thing that there isn’t any readily available answers to.
CycloneErik
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But then you'd miss out on a couple of offensive possessions where he looks good.
Of course, then we stop giving him the ball, so never mind.
He looked ok a few times, but he was struggling late. Missing some easy ones.
It seems to me when we have success we are out in transition. When we have to play half court offense, we can't score. So I'd embrace going small, applying pressure and trying to get easy ones in transition.
Jenkins has obviously proved to be a great defender in practice. I mean we got a steal on the in bounds. Do we get one with someone else playing his spot?
CycloneErik
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Oh, he's not good. I'm stretching to get to those couple.
There's no real need to have him out there.
He got an extra year nobody was expecting out of Naz and Monte, and had at minimum 4 NBA players on his first two rosters allowing him a 2 year running head start as coach. That's as lucky as anybody can get.
2 other things that popped into my mind while watching last night..
1 - What the hell has Steve done at the C position outside of Foster?
1 - What the hell has Steve done at the C position outside of Foster?
Ernst & Carter = never played
Solomon = undersized who can't shoot and doesn't work hard
Lard = undersized, however incredibly talented, but Prohm couldn't figure out
Mike Jacobson = undersized who works hard
Conditt = the very definition of a movable object but looks like he works hard
Foster is going to be good either here or elsewhere. He's insanely talented and that alone will allow him to be somewhat successful. Those others above are all terrible 5's all things considered. Sure they might've worked at times and even been effective in certain lineups, but they're not sustainable to start at the 5 position. MAYBE Lard would've figured out not to foul every possession, but we'll never know. Hell, I truly believe Daniel Edozie would work every one of those guys outside of Lard.
2 - What in God's name was that lineup where we had Bolton, Harris and Jackson in at the same time in the second half??? They went a combined 1-8 from beyond the arc but sure let's put 2 guys out there who literally can't do anything besides chuck up deep contested 3's because they're so small.I am not saying anything bad about Nate. Don’t take it that way.
it’s just if you were basing your argument for keeping your job around your recruiting class, those guys need to play.
I think that Steve has never trusted any plan he may have had. Its one of the curses of following a legendary figure, if you’re not an overwhelming personality. He’s always sort of seemed to be a spectator of what happens in his program.
the closest comparison would be tim floyd, I guess. Johnny was more beloved than successful, though. But Tim had a large presence, and remade the program in two years.
I am quite certain if you sat down and watched a game with Steve Prohm, he is knowledgeable and can break down the game in great depth. The problem is that, especially in the college game, the coach is the program. Kids are there for a short time, and the coach’s personality is what defines the program. Steve is a quiet decent man. He’s not a presence in any room he’s in.
the only time he’s ever shown any fire in a public setting was when the ******* fan made a stupid comment towards the team on senior day 2 years ago.
They probably do, but if you struggle at rebounding and you're going up against other guys that struggle at rebounding, does any progress happen or is like running your head into a wall?
Fred no doubt had an amazing system and identity, but he was also one of the absolute best in the business at quick hitters. He probably had 6-7 different "plays" that had an extra 5 different wrinkles off of the original play. He was also extraordinary at drawing up plays for zone defenses as well to attack mismatches.
The reason he was such a successful head coach was that the system and plays he ran felt like they were just in a free flowing offense, but they actually weren't. It was nothing complex either, which made guys love playing in it.
Trust me. Fred was a genius in that category. Fred didn't have a whiteboard in the huddles but instead had tear away sheets where he could draw the play quick and the managers could then write down the time and situation. That way Fred could go back in film and see what he drew up at what specific time and see if it worked or needed to be changed. Sure, it might've taken it a bit for Fred to get good at what he did, but just like any job, Fred only was getting better. He was an absolute sponge and soaked in information from numerous avenues that could make him better than he already was.
One of the bigger problems with this team the last couple years is a dependency on Solomon Young. Hate bagging on the guy, because he's been so loyal to the program, but he should never be first, second, or even third option offensively, and takes several plays per game off on the defensive side of the ball. No hustle out of the young man. Kind of plays like a guy who knows he is one option out of about one and a half options, will get his PT regardless of the effort he puts forth.
Ernst and Carter werent Division 1 talent, Solomon is pretty much the same player as 4 years ago, hes just developed some offense out of necessity since the rest of the team is so bad. Lard, Jacobson, and Conditt all regressed horribly under Prohm.
This is probably a good reason the program has been so terrible the last 4 years, you need to get some kind of production out of your 5 spot to win in this league, at least rebound and play defense.
It was legit fun to watch the first 30-31 minutes or so. Most fun I had watching ISU bball in the last 12 months. The following 9-10 minutes were some of the worst and most predictable, unfortunately. Steve could not adjust to Dixon's adjustments down the critical stretch. Shots stopped falling for our guys, and Steve had no answers. He is the ultimate let the players make plays coach, but when the opposing coach actually knows how to scheme a half-decent defense, it is a pretty s****y idea to just let your guys run around and hope something goes in the hoop.
Actually, when he was doing his homework for his nba job, he’d see a play when he was watching a game, and call Charlie, and have him dissect it. That was in an article I read, I in the register.
it’s not a slam on fred to say he wasn’t great X’s and O’s, there are very few that are. His career trajectory changed when he was able to recruit an actual tough guy in Kane. He was the very epitome of a mismatch, 24 stronger than anyone he played against, and desperate to rehabilitate his image. I forgot to add Dustin Hogue earlier too, he brought another wave of toughness that they didn’t have before.
Sure hope the whole basketball thing works out for him...that is all I'm going to say about that.
Yeah Fred's last year he punted all around. And I obviously know it's not a slam on Fred because it's not true. Lol he was terrific offensively at X's and O's. Getting Kane just made things look way too easy when he could run sets through Georges, Kane, and Ejim. Those 3 presented offensive mismatches that most coaches foam at the mouth about.