This is why Prohm must go........
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Did we not just make the tournament 6-7 times in the last decade? Why do we have to default back to the expectations of the 70s just because we're bad again? Why can't that be what our normal is now?
Because then people would have nothing to ***** about, good sir!
Can you cite a post where people actually said they have no expectations? Not a projection, but an actual post.
thanks in advance.
The post I replied to literally said people's expectations were too high based on stuff that happen 20 years ago or longer and said expectations should be lower because of that. If you're going to start doing that not reading crap again you're going back on my block list. I'm not doing this dumb **** with you again
I agree the Fizer/Tinsley team was the best in ISU MBB history and their record proves it....The reason was it had two legit NBA players in Fizer and Tinsley who both play appreciable minutes in the NBA....Their 33 wins is the best ever at Iowa State....
CycloneErik
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Just quoting to keep this fresh.
Looking at Dayton's records makes it very, very clear that they had one rough year during a coaching transition, and that's it. Definitely not an apt comparison by @Macloney.
JFC sorry he didn't file his official stats that matter application with you in advance. 20pt losses suck and paint a damning picture of where this program is headed.
Actually it said have perspective on the reality of Iowa State basketball. There was not one mention of lowering expectations. so that was just another projected argument.
so where are people saying to lower expectations? There’s a big difference between pointing out the truth about the history of Iowa State basketball, and saying we should be ok with losing.
People seem to act like a magical season 20 years ago is the norm, and that Fred’s one sweet 16 was commonplace. He had a great run here. Did a great job. But that stretch wasn’t consistent with the history of the program.
What’s happening now, is by no means acceptable. It just isn’t, he’s more than likely get another year, and if he doesn’t turn it around, he won’t be the coach the following year.
Until Jamie Pollard got to ISU, ISU never had the facilities or the budget in any sport to legitimately compete in any sport. You people that bring up the historic records or say people need to look at perspective, the times have changed since then. ISU now has the budget and facilities to compete in both football and basketball, and the expectations should be raised, especially in basketball with the coach we have who inherited a top 10 team and a program that had gained national recognition over the 3-4 years before he arrived. That coach has now set all time record lows for the program in multiple categories. There is no reason for it with what ISU has now for facilities and budget.
you think our facilities and budget are on par with the blueblood programs?
Besides money, what’s the argument for keeping Prohm?
Mine would be that Prohm with great assistants can consistently win here. Nearly anyone with good assistants can win here!
Then there seems to be extremists like Cat Stevens and Maloney that feel the ISU program isn’t of the quality to likely attract a better coach. If true, that would be worthy of giving Prohm time to correct things. Personally, I find that to be grasping for anything to sidestep how mediocre of coaching we’ve received under Prohm, but to each their own! Maybe WAYNE MORGAN is tired of selling cable?
Mine would be that Prohm with great assistants can consistently win here. Nearly anyone with good assistants can win here!
Then there seems to be extremists like Cat Stevens and Maloney that feel the ISU program isn’t of the quality to likely attract a better coach. If true, that would be worthy of giving Prohm time to correct things. Personally, I find that to be grasping for anything to sidestep how mediocre of coaching we’ve received under Prohm, but to each their own! Maybe WAYNE MORGAN is tired of selling cable?
I think pretty much everyone is in agreement with you on this. Our expectations have risen because the quality of Iowa State basketball rose exponentially once Fred Hoiberg became the coach here. He set a standard where these types of seasons were not going to happen under his watch. When his talent left, he seemed to already have a plan for the next year and even the following. Prohm has had a tough time figuring out how to do the same. When the talent was here, he was able to keep his head above water. Sure we weren't amazing but 3 out of his 5 years we have been very solid. Even last year's team who underachieved at times was good enough to beat anyone on a nightly basis.
These last few weeks, I've been looking at teams around the country and have seen numerous programs sort of rise from the dead and have put themselves into position to be talked about come selection Sunday. I've also seen teams who might've started the year poorly, but are now close to the tops of their respective conferences. Maybe we could've done something similar had Halliburton not gotten injured, who knows. It surely did not help this team at all that he went down. Maybe we would've been the exact same. My problem with thinking that way is that in most of the games Halliburton has been out, we've gotten absolutely smoked. When I ask myself does he really make THAT much of a difference, I look no further than the Florida A&M game and that question essentially answers itself. I'm not using this as a crutch for Prohm either, actually it's quite the contrary. I'm honestly wondering how a team can be so consistently bad without one player. We haven't lost these games because of coaching miscues or strategical errors.. We've been getting handled because our roster construction is so damn bad that we have to essentially play a perfect game to beat anyone.
The sustainability of this program under Prohm is not good. You're not going to win this fanbase back with smiles and coach speak, the results are going to have to speak for themselves. I think Prohm is moving in the correct direction as far as making next year's team better, but what happens after next year? I'm hopeful things will change, but I'm not going to believe anything until I truly see it. Our team is going to have some talented individuals next season. There's basically going to be a complete overhaul of the roster and we're going to look drastically different. Prohm's going to be in year 6 and if he can't figure it out next year, I don't think he'll ever figure it out.
No. Did I say they were? No. There’s only a handful of blue bloods. ISU in basketball anyway, has top 25 facilities. What’s become of the program should be inexcusable.
What has it become? Is this year a sign of future ineptitude under Prohm, or just an abbreviation?
The trend hasn’t been good under Coach Prohm. I can see why many feel he’s not of the quality to have future success. I could see him quickly putting together a roster talented enough to reach the tournament, but he needs better assistants imo
Why is critical reading so hard for you guys?
Is it just that you only have your talking points, and cannot think outside of those simple talking points?
Top 25? When Hilton is right it’s one of the very best atmospheres in college basketball.
but maybe you should step out of your little bubble and see what other schools have.
there is definitely enough to win at a consistent level. But when you make ridiculous statements like that one, it negates the rest of your “thoughts”
We're not a blue blood and we'll never be. The people wishing we could be one are not being fair to themselves. It is fair to hold ourselves to a standard below the blue bloods though, because that's where we were when Hoiberg left. We were good enough to win against those teams, just not on a consistent basis. We had some damn good teams, but never great teams. We were probably on the cusp of something amazing but that was ripped away from our grasps.
The fans who think we should be better than when Fred was here or directly at the same level are also hurting themselves too. Fred was one of, if not the best Iowa State coach in the history of the program, so comparing Steve to him is something we shouldn't be doing either. What we should be doing is looking at what Steve has done, and what he's done at a whole has been probably on the average side when all things are considered. He came into an incredible core group of guys but because of the timing of everything, he wasn't able to build his first team into more than a Sweet 16 type. I think he had a solid year his second year. He brought in some guys that were able to almost perfectly fit with the talent he already had. His third year he whiffed on grad transfers, which was primarily the reason why that team sucked. Last year was certainly above average, but still a bit disappointing overall. Last season's disappointed probably would've flown under the radar had this year been solid, but it hasn't been at all. Two freshman left and had those spots been filled with transfers or capable freshman who hadn't left, the season might've looked differently. He wasn't ready for guys to leave and failed miserably at trying to fill the void.
Next year Steve HAS to go all in. He needs to do anything and everything in his power to get this team to play at a high level, because if he doesn't, he's likely gone.
Those folks are committed to their mindset now. We had a guy literally say prohm didn’t help tyrese, it was 2 months with Bruce Weber. Those folks deserve to be made fun of.
Now we have people doing all they can to diminish any positive event that occurred with him as coach. He didn’t do anything to help nba guys get there. Ironically, the recruits all said they went here in part because he develops nba players.
truth is, there will be a segment of this fan base that would be upset if we went to the sweet 16 next year if he is the coach.
I don’t think it will happen. I think he is gone after next year. But I will continue to hope he wins.
Iowa State is a top 35 job in college basketball, at least at this moment. Wins and losses aren’t going to be what effects that rating.