This is why Prohm must go........
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XBF...Too stupid to argue with, not sure why I don't have him on ignore.
“Unfounded expectations”? Where did that come from. If ISU was a 6 or 7 seed in the tournament this year, these threads wouldn’t exist.
Are you really saying that fans shouldn’t have any expectations? Because hopefully you aren’t suggesting that Prohm is meeting them.
Literally anyone that watches this team knows they aren’t well coached nor are there even close to meeting expectations.
The reality is he needs to win. He hasn’t done that enough.
but you see things like he doesn’t get any credit for anything positive that has occurred while he has been the coach. That’s just as silly
I think he is saying that Prohm gets killed on here for LAST YEAR. When talking about Prohm's 5 season here, they point to 2 good seasons (which they criticize) with another coach's players and 3 bad seasons.
I don't think my clock ever started and I can hit those 14 foot jump shots unguarded.
Well, if it means nothing......what difference does it make what year Fred or Steve are in? Because if you think, instead of a 16 game losing streak Fred had a 16 game winning streak that fact wouldn't be used ad nauseam to fan the fire against Prohm on this site when it comes to "assessing" or "evaluating" his tenure i.e......."see what Fred has done in Year 1 at Nebraska compared to what Prohm has done in 5 seasons at ISU"......then you either dog nuts or just arguing to argue.
Here we go again, what are realistic expectations for our program?
ISU has won 2 regular season conference titles since 1946(2000,01). That is 76 years.
Excluding a 1944 tournament that included 8 teams and was during WWII, ISU has made 4 Sweet Sixteens and 1 Elite Eight in program history.
Since and including the year 2000, ISU has made the NCAA tournament 10 out of 20 years or .500.
I am not saying that "fans shouldn't have expectations."
I am saying that ISU fans should have realistic expectations.
History just doesn't show ISU as the basketball juggernaut that a lot of posters on here believe they are. They aren't. Marcus Fizer on the cover of Sports Illustrated has been the high point of ISU basketball history. Larry drinking was probably the most famous or infamous point of all in program history. Fred had some juice, but decided to leave.
Like I said, I don't care if they fire Prohm, I can make the case for or against it. Just try to have a little perspective of what the ISU program and job really are.
I would think making the tournament more often than not, and having a rare losing record with NITish seasons otherwise is a fair expectation.
Not making an argument out of it--just answering the question.
Perhaps with the way NCAA bball is shaping up a true rollercoaster will be the norm.
It’s comical that your arguments are such that you have to actually project arguments on to people
Of course that doesn’t fit the narrative for you guys.
All that is true, but he is also responsible for the most 20 point losses in ISU history, the largest loss in Hilton history, and the most embarrassing loss of all time for any Power 5 program at home. Ya some peoples expectations are grandiose, but Prohm is also setting historically bad records.
That sounds fair and pretty realistic. I also hope that you catch lightning in a bottle every once in a while, like an Ejim, Niang or Morris.
Not making an argument, but Prohm meets the half of your description that is important. I also think that the roller coaster has become more normal. See Dayton.
Largest loss in Hilton history is fair, but the 20 point loss thing is not a real stat and embarrassing is not measurable.
Maybe the lows are too low, but the highs are on par with the best in program history.
How is the 20 point loss thing not a real stat? It's more alarming and telling than the largest home loss.
Meeting half and the half that's missing like this year is pretty bad. Even despite his faults, I was expecting at least not historical lows.
Dayton's doing what I described. Went to the tourney many times recently, had one bad year with the new coach, and has ascended into what is now a nice team.
Tech might be a better example as they might be looking at missing the tourney now, but they're still at least close despite starting over and competitive.
I think playing the first day of the tournament will help us. Like Mike Jacobson said, it will help us figure out our defense.
Really? The most losses at home by 20 or more? What about losses at home by 15 or 21 or 25 or 19 with a full moon? It is not a commonly used and recognized stat. Come on.
This is a standard team stat line from Sports Reference for the 18-19 Clones:
Team and Opponent Stats
G MP FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS PTS/G