Baylor Turnaround - Be patient folks

Iowa State fans are the most patient people on the planet. Where else will you find a full 61k seat stadium for a program that wins 25% of the time, loses winnable games 35% of the time, and gets its doors blown off 40% of the time, year after year? We nurture the hope that one day the program will be better than .500 and won't lose to UNI. That's about as far as the aspiration goes and it really isn't asking much.

I nurture the hope that Warren doesn't nearly decapitate Ryan in the backfield again. Let's start there and work our way to that other HUGE goal you've outlined.
 
I can't get past the first number even when I try to figure out where you got these numbers. 25%? ISU has won 43% of games all time, 45% winning percentage when you account for ties. The last three years have seen a cumulative win percentage below 25% however I have tried looking back 10 years, 15 years, 20 years (the start of the Big 12 Conference), 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, even 60 years to before the Big 8 was even known as the Big 8 and I have yet to see a cumulative percentage of games won even approaching 30% to say nothing of being below 30%.

How did you arrive at the 35% and 40% numbers? What was your criteria for a winnable game? What was your criteria for a blow out? What time line did you use to compile these stats?

I don't know what possesses some people to take a record that is admittedly bad and try to make it look even worse. You are just weakening you point by using made up statistics.

Sigh. You're way overanalyzing something I spent 10 seconds typing. It's just hyperbole. Exaggerating the truth to paint a colorful impression. The numbers came from nowhere except my own orifice.

Did I even have a point to weaken? I guess I was trying to say that ISU fans are already very patient and forgiving given their demonstrated support for the product we're offered. Years upon years and decades upon decades with the same kinds of bad luck, close misses, blatant thievery, and so on. Yet we still turn out. Asking fans to "be patient" when some people have been waiting 20, 30, 40 or more years for a decent product just seems superfluous.
 
Sigh. You're way overanalyzing something I spent 10 seconds typing. It's just hyperbole. Exaggerating the truth to paint a colorful impression. The numbers came from nowhere except my own orifice.

Did I even have a point to weaken? I guess I was trying to say that ISU fans are already very patient and forgiving given their demonstrated support for the product we're offered. Years upon years and decades upon decades with the same kinds of bad luck, close misses, blatant thievery, and so on. Yet we still turn out. Asking fans to "be patient" when some people have been waiting 20, 30, 40 or more years for a decent product just seems superfluous.
So in other words your post was ********. That's what I thought. Carry on.
 
While understanding we are all tired of losing. Go back and look at Baylor's turnaround. I'd say MC and staff have a similarly tall task to what Briles did and we aren't in the middle of TX.

You say this as though it's a good thing.
 
You say this as though it's a good thing.
Meh...football as a religion makes for a larger talent pool...and those boys tend to want to be able to play where Mama can see them play. In terms of loading up a team with talent, pretty much any school within the state has a drop on most outsiders (carpetbaggers...). :)
 
Where does rape figure into these numbers?

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Honestly, while I get the OP's comparison, I think it's naive to think that the improvements under Briles were something to emulate given what's coming to light about things that occurred under his "guidance".

Honor Before Victory should mean something, and Briles (and BYU AD & admin) did not display that.

I'm not saying their culture is the model for turnarounds we should emulate and I think that goes without saying but apparently not???? The point is, going from cellar to penthouse takes time so be patient.
 
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I'm not saying their culture is the model for turnarounds we should emulate and I think that goes without saying but apparently not???? The point is, going from cellar to penthouse takes time so be patient.
Yes, it does...but when you use a program that has been exposed as using reprehensible methods as even a part of your argument, you undermine your point.
 
Yes, it does...but when you use a program that has been exposed as using reprehensible methods as even a part of your argument, you undermine your point.

Who made you the ultimate authority on post writing? If anything, I've made my point stronger by saying we aren't a classless program who will resort to those methods thus we might need to be more patient. If I was saying here are the expectations and anything less than this rate of improvement would be unacceptable, THEN, you might have a point. But for meow, no, you don't.
 
I think the difference with Campbell is he isn't/wasn't a defensive coach that didn't have HC experience. We now have a HC with experience as a HC and experience from the offensive side of the ball. That is what is needed in the B12.

I am more optimistic on MC, than I was with Rhoads. I has chiz happy about the Chiz hire.....
 
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Who made you the ultimate authority on post writing? If anything, I've made my point stronger by saying we aren't a classless program who will resort to those methods thus we might need to be more patient. If I was saying here are the expectations and anything less than this rate of improvement would be unacceptable, THEN, you might have a point. But for meow, no, you don't.
Old? Maybe.
Man? Probable.
Wise? Debatable.

Look - for the most part I agree with you. I just think using Baylor as a reference undermines your position.
 
Agree that K State is the better example to follow. I acknowledge that people are rightly pizzed about UNI. However, I am encouraged that Campbell presents himself as someone committed to a very systematic and planful approach. Reminds me of Snyder. Control the things you can control. Be prepared. Be calm and into the game. Don't make dumb mistakes. Have poise at critical times. The staff gets a D- for last Saturday night. I am ready to see a few more samples of their work before I form any impression as to whether there is substance behind their words. Sure as hell not giving up on them yet.
 
Baylor followed the KSU model of scheduling. Schedule 3 easy teams that you can gain confidence from. The players are able to get better and learn from mistakes while still getting victories. We don't play teams that we get that luxury.
I don't ever want to give up the Iowa game. But get UNI off the schedule and put 2 sure win confidence boosters on it.
 
Didn't Briles cheat and cover things up to turn Baylor around.

He needs a great QB to form a Baylor like turnaround, and to keep recruiting the way he has been. Most importantly keep those players in Ames, and develop them.

Hopefully Park or Noland can be that QB for us.
 
Old? Maybe.
Man? Probable.
Wise? Debatable.

Look - for the most part I agree with you. I just think using Baylor as a reference undermines your position.

Yeah, I get ya, and repeating yourself doesn't make your point any more valid. Done arguing with you over something stupid, agree to disagree and move on.
 
Or better yet, when do we get a QB to begin our four year turn-a-round.
I may not be an RGIII fan but that kid was a difference maker by the end of his time at BU!

Long story short: until we get a good QB we will be in trouble.

I'm not sold on Lanning yet, nor am I giving up on him. He had what, 3 TDs last week. If he cuts out the stupid mistakes he should be good enough to get us a couple of wins this year. But if he keeps giving the game away it just won't matter.

Zeb Noland?
 
I thought this thread was going to be about waiting for Baylor to turn it around and be bad again. Can't happen soon enough.
 
I hoped this thread was going to have more of a "Baylor Turnaround....and put your hands behind your back please"...type of vibe to it.
 
What was Ferentz's record his first year at Iowa? How about Bill Snyder, what was his record his first year at K-State? Both of those coaches went to school, took their lumps and learned their lessons well. It takes time to turn around a football program. I believe that over time Coach Campbell will build a winning program at Iowa State. Go Cyclones!
 

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