Baylor Turnaround - Be patient folks

[oldwiseman]

While understanding we are all tired of losing. Go back and look at Baylor's turnaround. I'd say MC and staff have a similarly tall task to what Briles did and we aren't in the middle of TX.

Year 1 - 4-8 with wins vs Northwestern St, Wash St, ISU, aTm
Year 2 - 4-8 with wins vs Wake Forest, Northwestern St, Kent St, and Mizzou
Year 3 - 7-6 with wins were over Sam Houston, Buffalo, Rice, KU, Colorado, KSU, and UT. Lost bowl game. They seemed to only be 7-6 due to a soft schedule that year.

Year 4 - 10-3 - This is when they "arrived" as a program with some real wins over OU, TCU, beating Washington in the Alamo bowl while scoring ridiculous points and RGIII wins the Heisman.

These first 4 years RGIII was the QB.

Year 5 to the end of Briles - a combined record of 40-12. The last 3 years Baylor was 32-7. with 2 conference titles, two 11 wins seasons, one 10 win season, and 2 conference titles.

So it really took 4 years with a Heisman caliber QB and after a slight pull back in year 5, year 6 is when they really had a solid, deep roster capable of competing every Saturday.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Where does rape figure into these numbers?

 

[ISUKyro]

Or better yet, when do we get a QB to begin our four year turn-a-round.
I may not be an RGIII fan but that kid was a difference maker by the end of his time at BU!

Long story short: until we get a good QB we will be in trouble.

I'm not sold on Lanning yet, nor am I giving up on him. He had what, 3 TDs last week. If he cuts out the stupid mistakes he should be good enough to get us a couple of wins this year. But if he keeps giving the game away it just won't matter.

 

[stateofmind]

Most reasonable people are aware this will take time by the right coach. Is Matt that guy? I sure hope so. We should know what kind of coach he is over the next 12 weeks. I think most of us know that we need to just see improvement week to week and get these great recruiting classes in place.

 

[weR138]

JFC, I suppose you posted this when Chiz got hired and then when PR got hired...tired of losing is an understatement. Losing to UNI is pushing the fanbase to the limit. Total apathy and an empty stadium are right around the corner. If I hear this same bull**** four years from now I'm done.

And Baylor? Yeah, let's flood campus with scumbag rapists...

 

[weR138]

Most reasonable people are aware this will take time by the right coach. Is Matt that guy? I sure hope so. We should know what kind of coach he is over the next 12 weeks. I think most of us know that we need to just see improvement week to week and get these great recruiting classes in place.

It's perfectly reasonable to expect a first year P5 coach to beat an FCS opponent.

 

[DhaCheann]

We're not Baylor and I don't think we should compare ourselves to Baylor. RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to Baylor, and ISU won't ever get an RGIII caliber QB. I think K State would be a better comparison if we're gonna compare ourselves to someone in the Big 12

 

[mdk2isu]

We're not Baylor and I don't think we should compare ourselves to Baylor. RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to Baylor, and ISU won't ever get an RGIII caliber QB. I think K State would be a better comparison if we're gonna compare ourselves to someone in the Big 12

Why not? He was a 4* QB coming out of high school. You think ISU will never get a 4* QB?

 

[weR138]

We're not Baylor and I don't think we should compare ourselves to Baylor. RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to Baylor, and ISU won't ever get an RGIII caliber QB. I think K State would be a better comparison if we're gonna compare ourselves to someone in the Big 12

True, but KSU hit an even bigger lottery than RGIII when the purple wizard stepped onto campus.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Honestly, while I get the OP's comparison, I think it's naive to think that the improvements under Briles were something to emulate given what's coming to light about things that occurred under his "guidance".

Honor Before Victory should mean something, and Briles (and BYU AD & admin) did not display that.

 

[stateofmind]

It's perfectly reasonable to expect a first year P5 coach to beat an FCS opponent.

You're right, fire Campbell.

 

[tejasclone]

Iowa State fans are the most patient people on the planet. Where else will you find a full 61k seat stadium for a program that wins 25% of the time, loses winnable games 35% of the time, and gets its doors blown off 40% of the time, year after year? We nurture the hope that one day the program will be better than .500 and won't lose to UNI. That's about as far as the aspiration goes and it really isn't asking much.

 

[ajk4st8]

We just have to figure out how to get ISU on our schedule.

 

[VeloClone]

Iowa State fans are the most patient people on the planet. Where else will you find a full 61k seat stadium for a program that wins 25% of the time, loses winnable games 35% of the time, and gets its doors blown off 40% of the time, year after year? We nurture the hope that one day the program will be better than .500 and won't lose to UNI. That's about as far as the aspiration goes and it really isn't asking much.

5/10

Only partial credit - didn't show your work.

 

[VeloClone]

We're not Baylor and I don't think we should compare ourselves to Baylor. RGIII is the best thing to ever happen to Baylor, and ISU won't ever get an RGIII caliber QB. I think K State would be a better comparison if we're gonna compare ourselves to someone in the Big 12

I wouldn't say never.

 

[DhaCheann]

I wouldn't say never.

I knew someone would bring up Seneca. RGIII won a Heisman and was an All American track runner, Seneca was good, but not RGIII in college good

 

[Ficklone02]

At this point knowing both our lines are just trying to get to mediocre I don't have high expectations this year. Just want to see progress throughout the year. Next year we will have 2 good recruiting classes on campus, and the year after 3 good classes. Guessing things will look alot better in a few years.

 

[VeloClone]

I knew someone would bring up Seneca. RGIII won a Heisman and was an All American track runner, Seneca was good, but not RGIII in college good

I didn't say he is just as good. But if ISU has had a QB of nearly the same caliber in just the last dozen years it isn't a reach to say that it will happen someday.

 

[VeloClone]

Iowa State fans are the most patient people on the planet. Where else will you find a full 61k seat stadium for a program that wins 25% of the time, loses winnable games 35% of the time, and gets its doors blown off 40% of the time, year after year? We nurture the hope that one day the program will be better than .500 and won't lose to UNI. That's about as far as the aspiration goes and it really isn't asking much.

I can't get past the first number even when I try to figure out where you got these numbers. 25%? ISU has won 43% of games all time, 45% winning percentage when you account for ties. The last three years have seen a cumulative win percentage below 25% however I have tried looking back 10 years, 15 years, 20 years (the start of the Big 12 Conference), 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, even 60 years to before the Big 8 was even known as the Big 8 and I have yet to see a cumulative percentage of games won even approaching 30% to say nothing of being below 30%.

How did you arrive at the 35% and 40% numbers? What was your criteria for a winnable game? What was your criteria for a blow out? What time line did you use to compile these stats?

I don't know what possesses some people to take a record that is admittedly bad and try to make it look even worse. You are just weakening you point by using made up statistics.

 

[weR138]

You're right, fire Campbell.

You're wrong, pump sunshine.