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Yes, good lord. You completely missed the point and while doing so made some dumb ***, lame attempt to diminish how good those players were. Good lord. And no, Kane and Ejim were not on last year's team.

A much better team that was a legit national title contender with Kane, Ejim, Hogue, and Naz was lucky to go 11-7. Two desperation shots from 9-9.

A year ago we had the same team as now but with very good and critical players like Hogue, Naz, and BDJ. Fred did not know how to fully utilize Edozie, but he was a Big 12 big man who would be by far the best frontcourt defender and rebounder on this team. Adding a guy like him to this year's squad is adding wins.

We aren't the same team as the past few years as the poster said. Roster-wise we are not as good- certainly not as complete. Less shooters, less rebounders and guys that play defense, no guards that can create and finish, no depth, etc. We had a thin margin before, and now it is thinner. Expect, at best, a need to out-play many of our opponents, which is tough to do every game (let alone the 40 minutes some demand here) when short-handed.

So last year we had very good and critical players like Naz, Hogue and BDJ and they lost at home to Baylor? Got it
 
I don't think Kenpom ever had us at 20-11 and 9-9 last year at any point. I thought CyTwins and Gunnerclone were the same two that told us the Naz injury wouldn't change the expectations of this team. 3 games into this conference season and we have a less than 1 percent (0.8% via Teamrankings.com) chance to win the Big 12 regular season title.
 
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Yes, good lord. You completely missed the point and while doing so made some dumb ***, lame attempt to diminish how good those players were. Good lord. And no, Kane and Ejim were not on last year's team.

A much better team that was a legit national title contender with Kane, Ejim, Hogue, and Naz was lucky to go 11-7. Two desperation shots from 9-9.

A year ago we had the same team as now but with very good and critical players like Hogue, Naz, and BDJ. Fred did not know how to fully utilize Edozie, but he was a Big 12 big man who would be by far the best frontcourt defender and rebounder on this team. Adding a guy like him to this year's squad is adding wins.

We aren't the same team as the past few years as the poster said. Roster-wise we are not as good- certainly not as complete. Less shooters, less rebounders and guys that play defense, no guards that can create and finish, no depth, etc. We had a thin margin before, and now it is thinner. Expect, at best, a need to out-play many of our opponents, which is tough to do every game (let alone the 40 minutes some demand here) when short-handed.

our starting 5 is probably as talented as anyone's in the country, but losing Naz's contribution, even the sub par Naz, has been brutal...Thomas has undoubtedly has turned into a better all around player than Naz, but Naz's leadership, ability to to score ( he was getting to the rim when missing his J's so still able to contribute) and toughness are vastly missed. With Cooke not gelling and Burton's inconsistencies, we simply can not contend. It's one thing to have depth problems of going 7 deep, but when you can't count on ( or the coach doesn't trust) numbers 6&7, you are pretty much screwed.
 
I don't think Kenpom ever had us at 20-11 and 9-9 last year at any point. I thought CyTwins and Gunnerclone were the same two that told us the Naz injury wouldn't change the expectations of this team. 3 games into this conference season and we have a less than 1 percent (0.8% via Teamrankings.com) chance to win the Big 12 regular season title.

Losing Naz certainly hurt our team. All I said was Naz being back next year helps next year's team more than it hurts this year's.

I'm no sunshine pumper, this team has no shot to win the big 12. Just have to hope they get hot at the right time and make a run in March
 
our starting 5 is probably as talented as anyone's in the country, but losing Naz's contribution, even the sub par Naz, has been brutal...Thomas has undoubtedly has turned into a better all around player than Naz, but Naz's leadership, ability to to score ( he was getting to the rim when missing his J's so still able to contribute) and toughness are vastly missed. With Cooke not gelling and Burton's inconsistencies, we simply can not contend. It's one thing to have depth problems of going 7 deep, but when you can't count on ( or the coach doesn't trust) numbers 6&7, you are pretty much screwed.
Keep thinking that and you will be active in many meltdown threads. And Thomas is not undoubtedly better than a healthy Naz.
 
Was it realy that hard for you? Are you sure you don'y want to try and diminish those guys anyways?

No I just think it's stupid to say this team is missing those players when they also lost to Baylor at home. This team is the same as last year. Heck OU is much better this year and they beat us up in Norman last year. At least this squad gave us a chance to win there
 
Losing Naz certainly hurt our team. All I said was Naz being back next year helps next year's team more than it hurts this year's.

I'm no sunshine pumper, this team has no shot to win the big 12. Just have to hope they get hot at the right time and make a run in March

That is actually not what you said. Expectations don't change, his is only a 29% 3 point shooter and a liability on defense, he can still lead from the bench, depth is overrated, etc. That is what you an Gunnerclone said and you ridiculed anyone else with a viewpoint of concern. That is what you said but I appreciate the revisionist history.
 
Relax and watch them win about 8 more games. They are lucky they don't have 2 or 3 more losses at this point in the season. They haven't learned anything from losses last year or this year. The players (especially Georges) say the same thing after every loss.
 
That is actually not what you said. Expectations don't change, his is only a 29% 3 point shooter and a liability on defense, he can still lead from the bench, depth is overrated, etc. That is what you an Gunnerclone said and you ridiculed anyone else with a viewpoint of concern. That is what you said but I appreciate the revisionist history.

I do think depth is overrated and I think we're 1-2 in conference with Naz.
 
As fans, I think it is impossible to relax with this team.

At the start of the year, the starters on this team were 4 seniors, and a very talented junior. Now, with the injury it is three seniors and 2 juniors. This team lost to a mediocre UAB team in the first round of the NCAA after coming back from double-digit deficits in 5 straight games. If after all that, and at least the Iowa and Baylor games this year, this team still needs to "learn" to focus for an entire game, and needs to use yet another bewildering loss (at home no less) as some sort of motivation.....I don't see much reason to relax. If they have not learned the need for this focus for 40 minutes by now (or before the Iowa game this year), they never will.
 
I think you can relax if you stop believing this team is a national title or even conference title contender. They aren't. Do not have the mental or physical toughness required - not even close.

It will be a great year, they will win and lose games, and they certainly still have the ability to knock off OU and KU and others. And you never know, they could go on a run in the NCAAs. But lets see this team for what they are - talented but soft.
 
As fans, I think it is impossible to relax with this team.

At the start of the year, the starters on this team were 4 seniors, and a very talented junior. Now, with the injury it is three seniors and 2 juniors. This team lost to a mediocre UAB team in the first round of the NCAA after coming back from double-digit deficits in 5 straight games. If after all that, and at least the Iowa and Baylor games this year, this team still needs to "learn" to focus for an entire game, and needs to use yet another bewildering loss (at home no less) as some sort of motivation.....I don't see much reason to relax. If they have not learned the need for this focus for 40 minutes by now (or before the Iowa game this year), they never will.
You have a lot of learning to do.

We are coming from behind and losing because we are not that good, but generally tend to out-play teams. We are a team with a thin margin for error.
 
Good lord? Didn't we lose at home to Baylor last year with the tough and talented players you mentioned? This team is the same as it has been for the last few years. The highs will be high and the lows will be low. Losses will usually be very frustrating. That's what happens when you rely on offense because you can't consistently defend.
Yeah, we did not learn our lessons. Gaithers did little except block like a tight end and we still lost.
 
and coach...I get it..a triangle and two is a little confusing if you don't practice against it a ton....but it's usually confusing for about 2-3 possessions....not ten minutes of game play. I'm not going to play the "Here's what Hoiberg would have done" game a lot ....but zero chance he wouldn't have taken a TO, drawn up a set, and Baylor would have bailed on it.

Except last year when Baylor did the same exact thing he didn't.
 

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