Man I agree. Perhaps a bad analogy but when Nebraska thought they needed to play modern football like everyone else they failed to realize their unique way of playing is what made them so good. ISU cannot recruit the 4-star kids like the powers in the B12 so what "can" we do? Well we saw how a ball control O looked against Baylor didn't we? It wasn't all on SR. Lanning didn't come and and run the same plays as SR. Lanning ran his Ankeny HS play book that won the Ia State Championship. Could he be a drop back passer like SR? No way. Lanning is a running QB, not quick like SR but a power runner. If we get a new coach he needs to be able to figure out what talent we have and win with it. Maybe we need the coach from ND State? How does ND State come in here and blow us out? They were twice Natl champs with kids overlooked by the B12 and everyone else. We shouldn't assume the big name coaches have magic but rather find a guy who did more with less.
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Man I agree. Perhaps a bad analogy but when Nebraska thought they needed to play modern football like everyone else they failed to realize their unique way of playing is what made them so good. ISU cannot recruit the 4-star kids like the powers in the B12 so what "can" we do? Well we saw how a ball control O looked against Baylor didn't we? It wasn't all on SR. Lanning didn't come and and run the same plays as SR. Lanning ran his Ankeny HS play book that won the Ia State Championship. Could he be a drop back passer like SR? No way. Lanning is a running QB, not quick like SR but a power runner. If we get a new coach he needs to be able to figure out what talent we have and win with it. Maybe we need the coach from ND State? How does ND State come in here and blow us out? They were twice Natl champs with kids overlooked by the B12 and everyone else. We shouldn't assume the big name coaches have magic but rather find a guy who did more with less.
Im thinking its more of a healthy mixture of the TX/FL speed and Midwest/Great Plains athletes that we need. We can't just say one of the other. Its just that we've been relying too heavily on the sloppy 30ths from Texas for linemen and such when we have the big kids up here, we just need to develop them. In the same regard, we cant run out against OKie State with 5 white WRs from Minnesota/ Iowa. We need a mixture.
Even though Rhoads has proven he cant develop.
Even though Rhoads has proven he cant develop.
Iowa State vs small school U in relation to a coordinator's view (IMO)
ISU offers immediate financial security, and a decent amount of rope. That can lead to an extension with even moderate success, or failing and still getting paid handsomely(KU/Gill). Hell Chizik failed and got another HC job. ISU offers far more up front. Danny Mac at N. Texas wasn't even making half what Rhoads does.
While N Texas, directional Florida, etc clearly offer a better/easier spring board to a major job, you had better succeed there. Otherwise you may blow your 1 opportunity to ever be a P5 coach and you don't get paid handsomely either. Herman is paid just over a million at Houston though, so he got into a good situation.
What if scenario here..... Houston had a few injuries, had to play and loses to both Memphis, Temple...and some other AAC team turned out to be a juggernaut, and Houston finishes 7-6? Then some turnover next year and only goes 8-5. USC, probably isn't going to come calling for a 15-11 coach. That could lead to him going to WVU for instance which isn't all that further up the pole from ISU.
ISU may kill a coaches career outside of going back to being a coordinator, but if you fail, you still got paid. Not a guarantee at North Texas...hell Fuente isn't even being paid all that great for his results at Memphis. he's under a million.
ISU offers immediate financial security, and a decent amount of rope. That can lead to an extension with even moderate success, or failing and still getting paid handsomely(KU/Gill). Hell Chizik failed and got another HC job. ISU offers far more up front. Danny Mac at N. Texas wasn't even making half what Rhoads does.
While N Texas, directional Florida, etc clearly offer a better/easier spring board to a major job, you had better succeed there. Otherwise you may blow your 1 opportunity to ever be a P5 coach and you don't get paid handsomely either. Herman is paid just over a million at Houston though, so he got into a good situation.
What if scenario here..... Houston had a few injuries, had to play and loses to both Memphis, Temple...and some other AAC team turned out to be a juggernaut, and Houston finishes 7-6? Then some turnover next year and only goes 8-5. USC, probably isn't going to come calling for a 15-11 coach. That could lead to him going to WVU for instance which isn't all that further up the pole from ISU.
ISU may kill a coaches career outside of going back to being a coordinator, but if you fail, you still got paid. Not a guarantee at North Texas...hell Fuente isn't even being paid all that great for his results at Memphis. he's under a million.
Completely agree. I think they are failry equal, honestly. And thats not a slight on ISU, I just think some people dont realize how big of a sleeping giant that program can be. ISU has the leg up on facilities, fan support, $$ allocated to football, but UCF has one thing on recruiting, and more importantly, their location. As I said, they are a massive school, and It wont take much to take them to the next step. O'Leary got them from bad, to mediocre-good. They are looking to take that next step, as well. Similar to ISU.
As another poster mentioned, I think development would almost trump recruiting at places like Iowa, and ISU. Unfortunately, neither of our schools can compete with the big boys of recruiting. Sure, we may steal one here and there, but largely, we get the same players, year after year. So how do you combat against the super-talents of the conference? Development. Im not saying thats the fool proof way, as Iowa has been as up and down as anybody, but for how lousy things have been on the recruiting front, you cant argue with the on-field results. And dont take this post as an Iowa fan puffing their chest after 7-0 start. I would say the same thing if Iowa was 0-7. If you cant be a school that attracts top talent, you HAVE to invest in player development. Part of that too is cutting down on attrition. The fact that CPR is still dipping into the JUCO level in year 7 tells the story there.
Rhoads is making $1.8 mil. Granted he has a longer contract than most but he isn't make a ton more than many non-Power 5 or directional schools.
George O'Leary was making $2.0 mil at UCF.
Chad Morris makes $2 mil at SMU.
Justin Fuente is making $1.4 mil at Memphis (and is in line for a big raise or much bigger job).
Willie Taggart makes $2 mil at USF.
Niumatalolo makes $1.7 mil at Navy
DeRuyter makes $1.5 at Fresno State
No one is comparing North Texas to Iowa State. But if you don't think many/all of the jobs listed above are similar (many better) to the Iowa State job, then I don't know what to tell you.
He's the head coach at Wyoming. They're 1-7 this year after going 4-8 last year. How about no?
I think you are talking about Craig Bohl and he currently is at Wyoming. He left NDSU two years ago and it's taking a long time for his offense to be placed in at Wyoming. He may be running out of time at Wyoming though, I don't think he is a terrible coach but man he pick Wyoming, He probably should've waited to jump to the fbs level.
There is no substitute for game experience for developing players. It's true at all levels of football. The best way to get them experience is blow people out. We don't have that luxury. We have to settle for situational substitution or if we are being blown out. But that does little to bolster confidence.
You can pack muscle on a guy but you can't develop speed.
Yea, Lanning looks like he could be our version of a Colin Klein. We need to hit JUCO hard to get some depth on OL, and we might be decent next year.
Well...
Florida HS football is a top-3 producer of FBS talent.
Recent national success (2013 BCS win)
First-round draft picks the past two years
On-campus stadium built in 2007, indoor practice facility, etc.
Attractions to entice recruits in Orlando
Our advantage... The money and exposure of the B12. They pretty much beat us in everything else (winning, tradition, NFL draft, local recruiting area, weather, etc)
Tradition? Have 2% of people in this country even heard of UCF? Or know where it is? Or that they have a football program? ISU's tradition isnt a long winning one obviously, but it at least exists. I know its a better job for coaches in terms of a stepping stone job but if ISU and UCF were 6-6, ISU is a 10x better job.
You guys all stating that you are aware of the current National Perception of Cyclone Football, but then follow it up and blast the Twitter guy for saying UCF is better job than Iowa State. With all due respect, you are proving Cycloneworlds point. Then you follow it up and say that the offensive coordinator to the #1 ranked team in the nation would consider Iowa St job. Again, you are proving Cycloneworlds point.
Truth is we are bad. The only way out is to get extremely lucky, by hiring someone noone would possibly want, and hope they hit a home run with something crazy. A young up and coming coordinator or DIAA coach isnt coming here.
Truth is we are bad. The only way out is to get extremely lucky, by hiring someone noone would possibly want, and hope they hit a home run with something crazy. A young up and coming coordinator or DIAA coach isnt coming here.
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Something I've always respected about your program is player development and consistency of schemes, execution and coaching. You know every single game what the hawks will look like and do and way more often than not they impose their will.
I AM a jealous fan to be sure.
GREAT points on development and recruiting too, by the way. Spot on IMHO.
But only if his Mom drives him down there.
Aside - are kids still required to sign up for "selective service"?