Agree, except for the age comment. I think somebody in their 50's is what we need. The "up and comer" get the most press, but I think we need a guy that's had some good HC experience and is looking to close out his career here.
National Perception
- Thread starter cycloneworld
- Start date
Agree, except for the age comment. I think somebody in their 50's is what we need. The "up and comer" get the most press, but I think we need a guy that's had some good HC experience and is looking to close out his career here.
This is clearly true. From UCF, it would be so much easier to go to a New Year's Six bowl game and get your name in the national spotlight to try to move up to a top-tier job. For coaches who are looking for that, UCF is easily a better option than Iowa State.
Please please please let us get someone who will want to do this. I want someone committed to getting us a powerful O-line that will let ISU run the ball down the other team's throat.
That's true but recruiting is what makes it so, so difficult. You are right, the fans are there, the stadium is there, the facilities are there but getting kids to Ames, IA is very, very difficult.
If you are an up and coming coach, taking UCF over ISU is a no-brainer if he is looking at a pit stop to a bigger job.
After being around Iowa State Football since 1962 I would accept winning 6 games per year....
After the Earle Bruce years I thought anything less than 8 wins was total failure but the football has been soooo baaadddd for so long that I have revised my expectations "Downward".....
After the Earle Bruce years I thought anything less than 8 wins was total failure but the football has been soooo baaadddd for so long that I have revised my expectations "Downward".....
Iowa State
Status: 90% chance of opening
Breakdown: This is Year 7 for Paul Rhoads, who hasn't won a bowl game since 2009 and is 7-24 the past three seasons. He's a good fit and the administrators like him, but he simply hasn't won enough. Has there been enough progress to sell hope for the future? Probably not. The only wins this season are against Northern Iowa and Kansas. And rival Iowa's revival in 2015 certainly hasn't helped matters.
This will get repetitive in this lower-tier section, but there are a lot of bad jobs destined to open this year and many coaches skeptical to fill them. Iowa State is particularly tough to figure, as it's the worst job in the Big 12, has little local recruiting base and a limited history of success.
Names: Dino Babers, David Bailiff, Brady Hoke, Houston Nutt, Ed Warinner, Troy Calhoun and Bo Pelini.
To put our football struggles into some context, where would our basketball program be today if Michigan had given Johnny Orr the new contract that he had clearly earned by by mid to late 70s? I say this because you might wonder "where is ISU football's Johnny Orr," but that's never gonna happen again.
Taking it a step further, if we didn't have Johnny Orr, would we have gotten Fred Hoiberg?
"you need someone that can recruit Texas, Florida, Illinois and California"
Wrong. We cannot compete in those markets with the big time successful programs. We need to find a niche market. Rural Midwest, upper plains, an untapped metro area (Minneapolis maybe). Do it our way, not the same way everyone else does it because we'll always lose.
Wrong. We cannot compete in those markets with the big time successful programs. We need to find a niche market. Rural Midwest, upper plains, an untapped metro area (Minneapolis maybe). Do it our way, not the same way everyone else does it because we'll always lose.
I really hope you guys hire Brady Hoke, I say that with 100% sincerity. I suppose you'd hire Ron Zook too, he's also a phenomenal recruiter.
Recruiting and Player Development are two different things. Iowa State needs a guy who knows how to develop players lot worse than they need a great recruiter - ISU will never be a team that can recruit elite talent consistently, which means ISU needs to be elite in player development.
Brady Hoke failed at Michigan with an easier schedule and a boatload more talent than he'll get at ISU. You are crazy if you think Brady Hoke would be a good hire @ ISU as a head coach. He'd be a great assistant coach, but no way he'd succeed as a head coach in Ames.
Going after a great recruiter is the wrong way for ISU to approach the upcoming job search. ISU will never be able to recruit at an elite level, so they need someone who can develop players or install a system that doesn't need the same type of players everyone else in their league is looking for (again, a Troy Calhoun). Hiring a guy who failed with a bunch of 4/5* guys would be a terrible decision. Brady Hoke is a great assistant coach, not a great head coach.
So what?
We don't need a splash hire, we need a good hire. Those are far from coterminous. Time for JP to earn his rep.
We don't need a splash hire, we need a good hire. Those are far from coterminous. Time for JP to earn his rep.
Lol at the people who want Brady Hoke, goodness. Dude had all types of talent and couldn't win in the Big 10. No thanks.
Wait.... I thought that was the boring, B1G style of offense that sets them so far behind everyone else in Co. Football. You mean to tell me there might be something to running that style?
IN all seriousness, I think that is the perfect style to combat the Baylor/TCU offenses. Weve seen them get slowed down by that style, out of conference, on a number of occasions.
Yup, and the same one that has won their conference back-to-back years, have been to 3 straight bowl games (7 in the last 9 years) and produced Blake Bortles, Brandon Marshall. They also happen to be in the middle of Florida, and are one of the largest schools in the country.
I know its Florida, and unless your in north florida, most are very fair weather about their programs (Miami), but its still a solid program. They arent world beaters, but to talk about them like they are on the same level as Florida Atlantic is laughable. People need to understand how valuable it is being in Florida at a school of that size. Facilities and money come with winning, not the other way around, which happened at UCF, and will probably happen again.
We got the good fit hire in Coach Rhoads. Look how that has turned out so far. I was never sold on the fact that he would be able to turn this ship around. I hoped he would be the guy because if he did he would be here for the long haul and wouldn't bolt for the next better thing. Honestly I don't know who can.
[video=youtube;cPxPSzz0LBY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY[/video]
Brady Hoke isn't going to be the coach at ISU. He got fired from his last job for blatantly disregarding player safety. He'll get another job eventually but that's going to take more than 1-2 years of doing time at the lower levels or being a coordinator to shake off.
Brady Hoke isn't going to be the coach at ISU. He got fired from his last job for blatantly disregarding player safety. He'll get another job eventually but that's going to take more than 1-2 years of doing time at the lower levels or being a coordinator to shake off.
I'd be okay with Brady Hoke or Al Golden from a recruiting standpoint, but their OC and DC hires are incredibly important, we don't want another Mangino situation and those two guys, while great at finding/bringing in talent, weren't the best at coaching up and progressing their player's level of play/maximizing their talent. Which one of the bigger criticisms of Rhoads is that his players regress year to year.