He's a southern California kid who doesn't even know where Ames, Iowa is.
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He's a southern California kid who doesn't even know where Ames, Iowa is.
Look at this list. Woof.
http://www.campusrush.com/al-golden-miami-usc-coaching-corousel-1423076703.html
http://www.campusrush.com/al-golden-miami-usc-coaching-corousel-1423076703.html
But according to some here if you post some numbers that show ISU is basically a lock for #1 SOS...you're some sort of apologist rather than perceiving reality. SOS is a huge part of the reason ISU is a tough HC job, it's idiotic to act as if we can't discuss it or that discussing it is some sort of excuse making.
I hadn't heard of Bryan Fischer before this morning, but at this moment, I would take him over Hines in a New York Minute, after the small town, poorly investigated hack job he did, to get national headlines.
CPR is a GREAT fit. And that is the problem. That is why he has had 6 straight losing seasons and is still our coach. Because we love him going ape **** on the sideline. He fits our bunker mentality.
I could care less about fit - you need someone that can recruit Texas, Florida, Illinois and California. You need someone that will run a slow, ball control offense. If we can find that, I could care less about the fit. He could have zero ties to the midwest.
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Been a lot of talk on here lately using the term, "Everyone" when referencing posts on here and generalizations expressing that the whole of the fan base feels this one way. Most of these are a result of quoting a few of the vocal minority and applying that to "everyone" There are definitely a few on here who think a lot about ISU sports, but it's far from everyone. I'd say most of this fanbase knows exactly where ISU sits. We are just hoping that things turn around one of these days.
To your point though. I think that ISU can be an attractive job for that guy looking for a challenge, a good fan base and a place they can call home for a little while. If you are strictly a coach looking at a stepping stone job, to get to the pinnacle of coaching, then yeah, there are plenty of places non power 5 that are probably a better situation than ISU. I'm sure not "everyone" but a lot of people on this board would agree with me. It's why the Chizik hire was such a big deal when it was. No one thought ISU could land a coach like that. And 9 times out of 10, they are probably right.
Plain and simple, no matter what benefits there are to coaching at ISU, until this program starts winning and can at least become a mid pack school, we aren't attractive to anyone who is looking to move to that next level.
That's why Rhoads looked so attractive at the beginning. He had a lot of coaching experience, was able to win right off the bat and was a bit of a hometown boy, who could possible stick it out for the long haul, even with success here.
The same UCF that is a joke in their own state? The same UCF that even FAU and FIU look down on? The same UCF that people on Orlando travel to Tampa to not watch on Saturdays? You get my point here. I'm not saying ISU is some amazing P5 job, but UCF is hardly 5th tier in their own state right now.
Brady Hoke is one heck of a recruiter. Most of the guys on the Michigan roster are his recruits. So to say he would be a "horrendous hire" is a stretch.
I bet alot of coaches would take a "5th tier" FBS school in Florida (where the recruiting grounds are much more fertile) than a 2nd tier at best FBS school in Iowa. The potential for a quick turn around with a program down south is greater than what we have here, unfortunately.
The only reason UCF would even be close to a better job than ISU is simply its location...that's it. Especially now that Miami is and has been a mess. UCF is probably going to finish the season 0-12. They lost to FIU and Furman. If UCF is such a way way better gig than ISU because it's in talent rich Florida then why do they suck so bad? ISU would crush UCF this year.
I completely agree with others that SOS is what is really keeping ISU down and it sucks. I never wanted to drop the Iowa game but I do now. I know we win half the time...well the other half we don't and it sucks the life out of this team when lose a non conf game. We lost 2 this year then we get to play 5-6 top 25 teams in conf...yea!!! Awesome.
Brian whoever has no clue what ISU is like right now. Probably has no idea that we put at least 54,000 fans in the stands every single game no matter how bad we suck. We have tremendous facilities and as a new coach guess what?? U get 6-7 years to succeed and if u just win 6-7 games a year every other year you are a hero.
I completely agree with others that SOS is what is really keeping ISU down and it sucks. I never wanted to drop the Iowa game but I do now. I know we win half the time...well the other half we don't and it sucks the life out of this team when lose a non conf game. We lost 2 this year then we get to play 5-6 top 25 teams in conf...yea!!! Awesome.
Brian whoever has no clue what ISU is like right now. Probably has no idea that we put at least 54,000 fans in the stands every single game no matter how bad we suck. We have tremendous facilities and as a new coach guess what?? U get 6-7 years to succeed and if u just win 6-7 games a year every other year you are a hero.
I thought UCF had some kind of massive increase in the number of buildings, academic programs, size of student body, when you work in the proximity to theme parks or magical themed houses in Orlando and the total lack of academic limits in recruiting where they can take the kids who don't qualify for miami or fsu or florida then they can sweep the floor with the teams in the aac and get their coach a new job, plus chiz coached there once.
I understand where you're coming from and its valid, but the problem I see is that, who exactly is left after the blue bloods, UF, FSU, Miami, and USF come through. Its not like they are in a position for the prime recruits. They are essentially recruiting against the ISUs with weather and location being the only real advantage (Which admittedly can be huge).
Iowa State
Status: 90% chance of opening
Breakdown: This is Year 7 for Paul Rhoads, who hasn't won a bowl game since 2009 and is 7-24 the past three seasons. He's a good fit and the administrators like him, but he simply hasn't won enough. Has there been enough progress to sell hope for the future? Probably not. The only wins this season are against Northern Iowa and Kansas. And rival Iowa's revival in 2015 certainly hasn't helped matters.
This will get repetitive in this lower-tier section, but there are a lot of bad jobs destined to open this year and many coaches skeptical to fill them. Iowa State is particularly tough to figure, as it's the worst job in the Big 12, has little local recruiting base and a limited history of success.
Names: Dino Babers, David Bailiff, Brady Hoke, Houston Nutt, Ed Warinner, Troy Calhoun and Bo Pelini.
Totally agree. If we got Brady Hoke I'd be ecstatic. Only problem is he is 56..although not terribly old. Hoke was national COY in 3 different conferences, including the big 10. He was also the reason for Michigan Dline back in the late 90's and early 2000's. Hoke problem at Michigan as a HC was he took a team that didn't need to be gimmike on offense and made them that way. The reason Michigan has a good D right now is because of Hoke recruiting.
Dino Babers: Head Coach at Bowling Green State University
David Bailiff: Head Coach at Rice University
Brady Hoke: unemployed (?)
Houston Nutt: CBS Sports College Football Studio Analyst
Ed Warinner: Offensive Coordinator and Offensive Line Coach at Ohio State University
Troy Calhoun: Head Coach at Air Force Academy
Bo Pelini: Head Coach at Youngstown State University
Those who say that X non P5 school is a better job than ISU is going by the lack of success on the field. They are too lazy to do any real research. This program has the stadium, the facilities, the backing of the university, and fan support. The only thing this program needs is wins on the field and this program and following would explode.
Wins and losses is not the only criteria to determine if a job is better than another one. If that were the case, then nearly every open college job every year would be worse compared to where the coach was previously. Every coach that accepts a head coaching job comes from a successful school. Just like when we are looking for a new job, we consider many things, like pay, location, career development/movement, etc. I would think coaches look at other things other than wins and losses.
Some of the positives we have are: financial resources compared to non P5 schools, patience in coaches, big rewards if successful, new facilities, a fan base willing to do more if successful.
Some of the positives we have are: financial resources compared to non P5 schools, patience in coaches, big rewards if successful, new facilities, a fan base willing to do more if successful.
If you are looking to make a quick splash to move to the next job, ISU is just not the place. It could make a great home for the right guy, but if you are just looking for a stepping stone, a place you can win right away trumps everything else ISU has to offer.
Calhoun, Pelini, and Barber are the only ones who can even be argued are a step up to Rhoads IMO.