*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Sunday, June 7 ***

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No, please don't tell me you're using the transitive property...

No, but I'm putting it into perspective. They barely lost to a team who also barely got knocked out a few rounds later by the eventual national champs. It's a way of showing how good Utah actually was last year and SFA came damn close to knocking them off.
 
I always get told that he's a CPA and budget is his first and primary priority. It has been to our benefit over the years, but the comment I made a couple days ago about a lot of donors and interested parties feeling like he wants to continue running at the level that he first came in at, like we're the little school on the prairie, rings true.

I'm sure I'll get some hell for this but if that last sentence is true then it might serve us best to bring in someone new at the AD role. Love the enthusiasm JP brings to the role but if he cannot evolve just as our athletics department is evolving we will never reach the next step we all want to see happen.
 
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It isn't being cheap, it's trying to have broad success across the whole athletics department. We as fans only care about football and men's basketball, but good AD's want to get the most out of all their programs. I cut Pollard slack because he has elevated ISU athletics as a whole, and has done it without a lot of football success. A lot of schools got big television money in the past 6-8 years and even with that, ISU has managed to pull itself forward.

At one time ISU made both Orr and LE one of the highest paid coaches in the country, with less revenue than ISU has today.
 
It isn't being cheap, it's trying to have broad success across the whole athletics department. We as fans only care about football and men's basketball, but good AD's want to get the most out of all their programs. I cut Pollard slack because he has elevated ISU athletics as a whole, and has done it without a lot of football success. A lot of schools got big television money in the past 6-8 years and even with that, ISU has managed to pull itself forward.

I do think JP does a pretty good job of having "across the board" success in athletics at ISU, which is his job.

However, I think there is a segment of the fanbase that really only cares about MBB and Football, and want JP to spend nearly all the money on just those two. That's kind of what Iowa seems to do.

I know JP is putting a decent amount of money into track and cross country, which is somewhat controversial since his son is going to be running track and cross country at ISU.

Football is still the king and the big moneymaker though, so JP wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't considering right now how much it might cost to get rid of Rhoads and make a new football hire as well.
 
I always get told that he's a CPA and budget is his first and primary priority. It has been to our benefit over the years, but the comment I made a couple days ago about a lot of donors and interested parties feeling like he wants to continue running at the level that he first came in at, like we're the little school on the prairie, rings true.

Don't these donors know that they are welcome to contribute more at any time to make these things easier?

Fact is, ISU gets good bang for its buck, but to get our programs where we all want them to be everything will need to cost more, and giving out extra millions to high profile programs has ripple effects through other programs trying just as hard to succeed without the public recognition. I don't envy JP one bit.
 
I don't know if this point has been made yet but if you are starting with a big salary ($3-$4 million) where do you have to go if they have success and want a raise? What if they fail and you need to fire them... Can you imagine the buyout? Our AD may be able to afford a coaches salary like that but we do not have the budget to miss on hire of that magnitude. That would cripple our program. So if you go big it better be a can't miss hire (if there is such a thing).

On top of all that when you start shelling big money that also lets the next coach you hire that you should be able to afford it for him too. Pollard has a lot to think about with program defining decision.
If they have success we celebrate. Not many schools will are really willing to pay more. Factor in revenue and we don't have the budget to miss on cheap candidates either. I am sure JP could use the extra annual 2 to 2.5 million on some non-revenue sports though.
 
I look at it as he wants to get value for money spent. Spending a whole lot of money for someone perceived to not be any better than a lower priced candidate is just being foolish IMO. Why spend money just to spend money. Get something for the money spent. If the coach we want is worth the money he will spend it. If two coaches are comparable and one is significantly cheaper then it only makes sense to not spend the money.

If you can get a proven P5 coach why not do what it takes to get him? Sure if you are looking at lower level coaches you can go a bit cheaper. The goal should be to get the best coach you can to Ames, not who will work the cheapest.
 
Well do you guys expect a buyout of Rhoads after next season, or would you rather ride that out and have a kick *** basketball coach? That's the **** that JP has to choose between.
We are a bball school.
 
I think TJ has the highest ceiling of all known candidates but he also has the lowest floor, which is what scares me the most about him. Can't afford that with the potential team we have for next year.
 
If you can get a proven P5 coach why not do what it takes to get him? Sure if you are looking at lower level coaches you can go a bit cheaper. The goal should be to get the best coach you can to Ames, not who will work the cheapest.

Don't provoke Stormin, trust me. Thread is unreadable when he hijacks the threads.
 
I think TJ has the highest ceiling of all known candidates but he also has the lowest floor, which is what scares me the most about him. Can't afford that with the potential team we have for next year.

If you go with a lower level coach you still have to worry about the low floor. Unless you go with a proven P5 coach that worry will be there. To me having a good team can cover up a lot of mistakes TJ will make. There is more room for error than if you had a bubble team.
 
I wouldn't mind Underwood, but his ties with KSU just bother me too much.

Maybe we could put into his contract an extra large buyout if he goes to another Big 12 school? Would that be something you could do?
 
Part that bothers with this whole JP thing is, if he knows what we really have for a team, why is he trying to be so cheap? I understand that he wants to save the university money but being cheap isn't the best.

He is truly cheap.
 
I wouldn't mind Underwood, but his ties with KSU just bother me too much.

Maybe we could put into his contract an extra large buyout if he goes to another Big 12 school? Would that be something you could do?

That's always been my big concern with him. He hasn't made it a secret that he ultimately wants the KSU job and we know it'll be open in the next year or two. You could certainly try the buyout language, but you get into the same issue as Fred - if a guy wants to go, you have to let him go.
 
If you go with a lower level coach you still have to worry about the low floor. Unless you go with a proven P5 coach that worry will be there. To me having a good team can cover up a lot of mistakes TJ will make. There is more room for error than if you had a bubble team.
I certainly think Fred added wins to our success the past few years. Hiring the wrong coach could make next year a bubble team though. We out-play teams just as much as out-talent teams. Hiring the right coach could make next year a FF team (with luck).

Imo TJ is a much safer candidate had we had the opening next year.

Hypothetically speaking, maybe one of the candidates know of a transfer or player that could end up at ISU on short notice.
 
If you can get a proven P5 coach why not do what it takes to get him? Sure if you are looking at lower level coaches you can go a bit cheaper. The goal should be to get the best coach you can to Ames, not who will work the cheapest.

Nor knowing who it is I can not say whether you back up the truck to the bank. I hear what you are saying. But what if it is a coach perceived to be very similar to the other candidates? Then it makes no sense to shell out a couple million more per year. IMO, to shell out that kind of money has to be a home run hire.
 
He needs football to be relative. It is easier to sell advertising to companies when you have some fan interest in football. Beyond seating Hilton basketball can bring in money from new outside companies if it stays on top. With most games on the main ESPNs and sports fans watching a company can get good bang for their buck advertising inside Hilton, and that inturn could allow JP to increase how much they get for those spots.

Football must be relevant if we want to stay in our P5 status. It isn't a luxury. It's a necessity
 
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