I think it seems like everyone's getting pretty clear on that idea. Fred ain't walking back through those doors.
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I think it seems like everyone's getting pretty clear on that idea. Fred ain't walking back through those doors.
Man I just don't get the lack of enthusiasm for a guy like Underwood. Dude would be a great hire. Has a ton of coaching experience in big 12 and is a winner. Altman would be great too but I think he's a bit of a long shot. Stallings no thanks.
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Underwood or Prohm would be excellent.
Altman would be fun, but his name has to be out there for a Nike raise.
Stallings' name seems to come up every time we have an opening, like it's mandatory for someone to say his name. I can't see him being a good hire.
If he was so great why isn't every school that had an opening beating down his door to get him hired?
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Blaming an assistant for an underachieving team is weak. Also, he's 37 years old, and was heading for a head coaching job when he came back here. How many people get P5 head coaching interest at < 37 years old? It just seems to are setting an unrealistically high bar for TJ. None of the other coaches mentioned, except Altman, had heading coaching jobs offered to them at P5 conferences in their mid-30s either.
I didn't mention pace of play. I was talking about the urgency of the program, the Hoiball concept of turning over the roster with transfers and JUCO players every year. That is a high-risk high-reward approach that I think only true superstar coaches can be successful at.
Blaming an assistant for an underachieving team is weak. Also, he's 37 years old, and was heading for a head coaching job when he came back here. How many people get P5 head coaching interest at < 37 years old? It just seems to are setting an unrealistically high bar for TJ. None of the other coaches mentioned, except Altman, had heading coaching jobs offered to them at P5 conferences in their mid-30s either.
I didn't mention pace of play. I was talking about the urgency of the program, the Hoiball concept of turning over the roster with transfers and JUCO players every year. That is a high-risk high-reward approach that I think only true superstar coaches can be successful at.
Only ones so successful they send their coaches to the NBA.
As a big booster reminded me recently, Floyd left and we didn't hire Eustachy until the end of July, maybe even into August.
So this is simple comparatively. :smile:
CycloneErik
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I'm not blaming him for the losing. I'm saying that he doesn't have experience in building a winning culture, because he's rarely part of one.
In terms of his age, it's probably best for TJ to serve as an assistant with another winning coach before getting a head job. You really want to be able to say "this is what I bring to the table" in more concrete ways than TJ can before taking a job like this one is right now.
I'm with you on the urgency of the program. That requires someone like Fred to really pull off. Clearly, there are reasons that it hasn't gone the same for anyone else.
I'm not blaming him for the losing. I'm saying that he doesn't have experience in building a winning culture, because he's rarely part of one.
In terms of his age, it's probably best for TJ to serve as an assistant with another winning coach before getting a head job. You really want to be able to say "this is what I bring to the table" in more concrete ways than TJ can before taking a job like this one is right now.
I'm with you on the urgency of the program. That requires someone like Fred to really pull off. Clearly, there are reasons that it hasn't gone the same for anyone else.
CycloneErik
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Shoot me if it is Altman or Stallings - old news and we have seen their full potential and while it might be 'good' it ain't great or what we want.
Prohm seemed like an odd fit at first but my spidey senses tell me that he might be the ticket. For me at this point it is TJ or Prohm unless there is somebody else really good that hasn't surfaced yet that can take us to the promised land in which case I reserve the right to claim I made this post while drunk.
He has less coaching experience in the Big 12 than TJ. :smile: I'd be happy with Underwood but I remember when Mad Fran was a mid major guy that loved to play up tempo. My point is....a mid major winning coach is a risk just like anyone else
Well you know, GarPax needed a couple of weeks to fire a coach they had been badmouthing for months, to you know, try to get someone to give them something for him.
Why would Fred have any say at all? He's the one that put ISU in this mess to begin with.
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So beating the likes of Abilene Christian, Houston Baptist, and Central Arkansas somehow translates to knowing how to win against KU, Baylor, and Texas? Not all "winning cultures" are created equal.
So beating the likes of Abilene Christian, Houston Baptist, and Central Arkansas somehow translates to knowing how to win against KU, Baylor, and Texas? Not all "winning cultures" are created equal.
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Hoiberg was hired at about that age with almost no coaching experience and zero at the college level. Not saying that makes TJ the next Hoiberg, but our last coach was ironically hired at that exact age, and with even less college experience, lol. Obviously the program is in a different situation right now, but I don't think people should be writing TJ off just because he's young, or hasn't led a P5 program. The number of guys who have led P5 programs, had success, fit with the style of this team, and are good recruiters to set us up for the future are about zero at this point in the offseason. TJ likely ticks all of those boxes except for leading a P5 team to success.
Hoiberg was hired at about that age with almost no coaching experience and zero at the college level. Not saying that makes TJ the next Hoiberg, but our last coach was ironically hired at that exact age, and with even less college experience, lol. Obviously the program is in a different situation right now, but I don't think people should be writing TJ off just because he's young, or hasn't led a P5 program. The number of guys who have led P5 programs, had success, fit with the style of this team, and are good recruiters to set us up for the future are about zero at this point in the offseason. TJ likely ticks all of those boxes except for leading a P5 team to success.
TJ is the hire and for one reason.
Applebee's must continue their promotion and there is no other workable solution as The Otzelberger. You don't even have to modify his name to fit the burger like "Hoiburger". Applebee's doesn't even have to change the sandwich, just slap a new name on it. Done. We're worried about a smooth transition. Nothing smoother than that.
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Applebee's must continue their promotion and there is no other workable solution as The Otzelberger. You don't even have to modify his name to fit the burger like "Hoiburger". Applebee's doesn't even have to change the sandwich, just slap a new name on it. Done. We're worried about a smooth transition. Nothing smoother than that.
biggrin:Can we get a poll on here mods?
Who do you want to be the next ISU MBB Coach on June 3, 2015:
TJ
Prohm
Underwood
Altman
Rice
Who do you want to be the next ISU MBB Coach on June 3, 2015:
TJ
Prohm
Underwood
Altman
Rice
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