VIDEO: Seth Davis on Iowa State's coaching search

There is literally not one piece of FACTUAL evidence out there that supports that TJ can win without Fred at the D1 level and it's been proven that Fred could win without TJ...

There's literally not one piece of factual evidence that any of the fan favorite candidates can win at ISU.

People want Hornacek, but he's never coached at the collegiate level at all.
 
Derpity derp Greg McDoormatt derpity derp derp derpy derp the inmates run the asylum derp derpity double derp...local guy saves program derp derp derp white guy derp disciplinarian derp derp. Yay for TJ derp derp derp. Blaaaaa page views derp.
Did you just yada, yada sex?

Seems like TJ knows how to coach. This was two years ago and looks very comfortable coaching. [video]http://www.cyclones.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?id=1443507[/video]
 
There's literally not one piece of factual evidence that any of the fan favorite candidates can win at ISU.

People want Hornacek, but he's never coached at the collegiate level at all.

Hornacek has shown that he can coach, which TJ hasn't...and those mid-major guys haven't proven that they can win at a high major yet, but they have shown that they know how to coach, and that their teams play disciplined team basketball.

All of that is far more than what we know with TJ.
 
Upon reflecting on what happened, my thoughts are this.
Jeff H has not really shown interest in Ames or ISU so even if we offer him the job, who is to say the guy sticks around or even has success. Otz isnt a proven coach but he's young and a proven recruiter. If he turns out to be a good game coach as well, with his wife's ties to ISU, he could be the long term coach this school desperately needs.
A gamble either way but I am coming around to Otz being the guy.
 
Upon reflecting on what happened, my thoughts are this.
Jeff H has not really shown interest in Ames or ISU so even if we offer him the job, who is to say the guy sticks around or even has success. Otz isnt a proven coach but he's young and a proven recruiter. If he turns out to be a good game coach as well, with his wife's ties to ISU, he could be the long term coach this school desperately needs.
A gamble either way but I am coming around to Otz being the guy.

Only thing I'd say is that it'd be very difficult for Hornacek to show any serious public interest when he's currently the coach in Phoenix.

Not to say he does or doesn't. But quietness doesn't really mean too much.
 
FYI - there is a LOT that goes on long before things get posted as commentary or sourced info. This year it was very well known behind the scenes that things were unfolding differently, all the way back to early April. Just because I or others can't outline those things at the time, doesn't mean they don't influence when/what is posted. There is a lot that gets shared and can't be posted - I would guess only about 2% gets converted into articles or commentary for various reasons.

Things were unfolding back in early April? So around the same TJ was brought in. How can your sources be so sure that no tacit understanding was made with TJ, and at the same time say that JP is so secretive in searches that no one has a clue. Not doubting your sources, because they've been accurate repeatedly.

But it seems reasonable to believe at the very least that TJ knew, when he was brought back, that Fred was likely not going to be HC in 2 months.
 
Hornacek or TJ. Guess it's up to what Jeff wants to do. I think TJ would be a fantastic choice if Jeff turns it down.
 
FYI - there is a LOT that goes on long before things get posted as commentary or sourced info. This year it was very well known behind the scenes that things were unfolding differently, all the way back to early April. Just because I or others can't outline those things at the time, doesn't mean they don't influence when/what is posted. There is a lot that gets shared and can't be posted - I would guess only about 2% gets converted into articles or commentary for various reasons.

I call BS! Why wouldn't you at least post 15-20% of your sourced info? If you were all connected like you want all of us to believe then you would probably have Keith Murphys job. You don't name your sources anyway and I don't expect you to, but I don't know why you wouldn't want a better site and break more news on your site.

Most of us realize that you are like any other journalist out there and you are trying to get the scoop just like everybody else. If you have sources I'm sure they aren't just telling you the info so the info would leak anyway if multiple people were getting the same scoop. Typically the news breaks at the same time across the wire. So either your and everybody else's sources tell you when and what time to break the news or your not as connected as you want us to believe you are. So don't get all huffy when somebody calls you out, especially if you aren't as connected as you want us to believe. Just do what you do best, write articles, do podcasts, add your 2 cents/commentary, and break the news as you get it.
 
You have a hiring situation where perception is going to be more important than reality, not exactly a strong selling point for Otz. Could he be a good head coach? No one could possibly know at this point, but this is not the time to hire an unproven, unknown commodity if you have any intentions on keeping the national credibility that ISU MBB has built up over the last few years. Hiring Otz is the easy thing to say, but it's not the right thing to do.
The thing he has going for him is that with a great roster in place, he may look like a genius Year One (whether it's actually true or not). Maybe Year One success gets him a good jump start in recruiting and helps avoid any bottoming out. There will be a drop off after next year even if Hoiberg stayed.
 
I think if Jamie doesn't at least call Izzo or Calipari or Pitino he's really shorting himself and the university.
 
The key in college is players. TJ has proven he can get players. Case closed.

I don't think this is as cut and dried as people want to think, the McD years, recruiting was not good. Our roster was loaded with guys who simply weren't big 12 caliber guys, a lot of those guys were guys TJ brought in. Someone listed his recruits in one of these threads...people are remembering it much better than it actually was, in reality we got the type of kids we always get, high 3* and low 4* guys (Brackins is the one exception)

I think he is a capable recruiter and can continue to get us solid guys but its not like he was nailing down blue chip recruits every year. Likewise, when he left, we continued to get similarly ranked players. That's not a knock on TJ, in fact its saying he is capable of bringing in talent that can win here but to call him a "great" recruiter is buying into the "mediaspeak" that has surrounded him. Honestly, there isn't a ton good to say about TJ (or bad) so IMO the recruiting angle gets beat to death.

A great recruiter wouldn't have let Harrison Barnes get out of Iowa.
 
I don't think this is as cut and dried as people want to think, the McD years, recruiting was not good. Our roster was loaded with guys who simply weren't big 12 caliber guys, a lot of those guys were guys TJ brought in. Someone listed his recruits in one of these threads...people are remembering it much better than it actually was, in reality we got the type of kids we always get, high 3* and low 4* guys (Brackins is the one exception)

I think he is a capable recruiter and can continue to get us solid guys but its not like he was nailing down blue chip recruits every year. Likewise, when he left, we continued to get similarly ranked players. That's not a knock on TJ, in fact its saying he is capable of bringing in talent that can win here but to call him a "great" recruiter is buying into the "mediaspeak" that has surrounded him. Honestly, there isn't a ton good to say about TJ (or bad) so IMO the recruiting angle gets beat to death.

A great recruiter wouldn't have let Harrison Barnes get out of Iowa.


Furthering your point none of the players he recruited during the McDoormatt years played in the NCAA tourney, not a single one! But supposedly he's an elite recruiter and Morgan with, according to CW, the worst coaching skills ever was able to get to the big dance and win a game as well as getting to the semifinals of the NIT (yeah whatever I know).

I really just want our program to not be led by someone who was led by Grug McDoormatt, who can't win without his son.

I hope TJ stays as an assistant and a buffer for the program but if he's hired I can guarantee I'll be less than thrilled if next years team underperforms (like I think it would with his leadership).

Also how much recruiting does the face of the program actually do besides seal the deal. I realize that the head coach can play an important role in recruiting and can specifically be the face for certain players (Georges Niang) but won't his role be diminished???

On top of that how is a person in his first year as a head coach going to assemble a huge class for next year without prior experience at running a program. This I think will be the greatest issue as to why TJ is passed up this time.
 
I call BS! Why wouldn't you at least post 15-20% of your sourced info? If you were all connected like you want all of us to believe then you would probably have Keith Murphys job. You don't name your sources anyway and I don't expect you to, but I don't know why you wouldn't want a better site and break more news on your site.

Most of us realize that you are like any other journalist out there and you are trying to get the scoop just like everybody else. If you have sources I'm sure they aren't just telling you the info so the info would leak anyway if multiple people were getting the same scoop. Typically the news breaks at the same time across the wire. So either your and everybody else's sources tell you when and what time to break the news or your not as connected as you want us to believe you are. So don't get all huffy when somebody calls you out, especially if you aren't as connected as you want us to believe. Just do what you do best, write articles, do podcasts, add your 2 cents/commentary, and break the news as you get it.

1- I have no financial interest in CF so my motivation is simply to help people.

2- I get info as parts of friendly dialogue and conversation. I only post what A) I think is appropriate, B) I've gotten the ok to relay or is from enough solid sources, and C) Isn't or won't be posted by others in a certain timeframe. If I posted everything everybody says, nobody would be talking to me. A lot of what goes on has no place being discussed publicly. Prime example is Leath/JP spat - I eluded to Leath's role for weeks but didn't discuss the friction as it serves Iowa State no service having it public.

3- And then there is the fact that I personally don't like attention or having to explain myself, despite popular belief, and therefor leave it up to other most of the time.
 

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