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I'll be honest I will reserve anymore judgment until further facts come out but I think Leath's decision was awful peculiar given his ruling (in light of the decisions made by other panels and prosecutors) and more importantly the timing of that decision.
 
I'll be honest I will reserve anymore judgment until further facts come out but I think Leath's decision was awful peculiar given his ruling (in light of the decisions made by other panels and prosecutors) and more importantly the timing of that decision.
Fair.
 
Did cruise miss work, spend money defending himself while wrongfully accused, lose other opportunities etc. Not dissimilar to bubu.

Not dissimilar, but certainly on a smaller scale. It's doubtful his legal fees went beyond the original defense; I don't know his employment status, and it's a long-shot that Bubu would have made the NBA if not for the past two years, but he likely could have played in Europe. Potential earnings are likely more affected for Bubu than for Spencer. Again, however, I am speculating as I don't know many details about Spencer Cruise. However, it's my opinion that you are speculating as well.
 
I'll be honest I will reserve anymore judgment until further facts come out but I think Leath's decision was awful peculiar given his ruling (in light of the decisions made by other panels and prosecutors) and more importantly the timing of that decision.

You mean the timing of it, that which bubu and his attorney didn't raise any concern about?
 
You know the case? Which case the civil or the criminal? Why hasn't Mr. Cruise joined palo action? Do you know the sequence of actions once at mr. Spencer's house?

Why does it matter. You clearly think you have inside information and are enjoying being coy about it. I cannot however comprehend the relevance of Spencer not choosing to sue.

For one he has not had months of legal fees from challenging a university case. Second, he does not have the damages bubu had (his best year and a half of eligibility taken from him) and a much more public knowledge of his circumstances. I bet the lawyers wern't interested in taking his case because 1/3 of very little isn't worth the time. But the courts, the alj, the prosecutor all have it wrong and the rumor you heard will vindicate her for fabricating evidence that harmed bubu. Got it.

That is what this is about. Did she fabricate evidence to present a misleading set of facts that harmed bubu. It is not a rape case. That is over. It is whether her actions damaged him. She can counter sue for sure. But It seems pretty crystal clear that her actions damaged bubu. And to be clear his actions may have damaged her as you seem to be alleging and if so she has every right to sue. But this case is about her actions. Not sure how she will defend them. Nobody has sided with her on that.
 
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You don't think this is a contingency case now? Cute.
the money for past legal fees. Contingency based off size of award. Little fees, littlencontingency. Your smugness is so misguided it's almost "cute".
 
Why does it matter. You clearly think you have inside information and are enjoying being coy about it. I cannot however comprehend the relevance of Spencer not choosing to sue.

For one he has not had months of legal fees from challenging a university case. Second, he does not have the damages bubu had (his best year and a half of eligibility taken from him) and a much more public knowledge of his circumstances. I bet the lawyers wern't interested in taking his case because 1/3 of very little isn't worth the time. But the courts, the alj, the prosecutor all have it wrong and the rumor you heard will vindicate her for fabricating evidence that harmed bubu. Got it.

That is what this is about. Did she fabricate evidence to present a misleading set of facts that harmed bubu. It is not a rape case. That is not over. It is whether her actions damaged him. She can counter sue for sure. But It seems pretty crystal clear that her actions damaged bubu. And to be clear his actions may have damaged her as you seem to be alleging and if so she has every right to sue. But this case is about her actions. Not sure how she will defend them. Nobody has sided with her on that.
Let's say two guys pick up a drunk woman. The first rapes the woman. The second fellow hangs out then walks in and has sex with the same woman post-rope and claims consensual sex with the woman immediately after the rope. Is there a legitimate legal case for the second guy if he knew the woman was getting raped by guy 1? I suppose he can make a case but he certainly does not meet the threshold requisite to meet the student code.
 
Let's say two guys pick up a drunk woman. The first rapes the woman. The second fellow hangs out then walks in and has sex with the same woman post-rope and claims consensual sex with the woman immediately after the rope. Is there a legitimate legal case for the second guy if he knew the woman was getting raped by guy 1? I suppose he can make a case but he certainly does not meet the threshold requisite to meet the student code.

If guy 2 knows guy 1 is raping a girl and allows it to happen, he should be just as guilty.
 
The "game" I am playing is the sequence of actions matter. There are things that while morally reprehensible are able meet the threshold for removal of student-athlete yet are difficult to prosecute criminally...particularly when the one making the claim compromises the case. I believe the non-judicial process got it right, the criminal case got it right, and mr palo is wrong headed pursuing a civil case.

She accused him of a violent act of rape where her clothes were ripped off and he forced himself on her. Not being morally reprehensible. I never said he had a case against the university. The university did not find him guilty nor did the courts of the act she accused bubu of. He has a case. He may lose the case because he will expose himself as a slime ball. Who knows.
 
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Let's say two guys pick up a drunk woman. The first rapes the woman. The second fellow hangs out then walks in and has sex with the same woman post-rope and claims consensual sex with the woman immediately after the rope. Is there a legitimate legal case for the second guy if he knew the woman was getting raped by guy 1? I suppose he can make a case but he certainly does not meet the threshold requisite to meet the student code.

Is Spencer charged with rape?
 
Being naive is being naive.
.why because you show up with a story that is not public nor makes any sense based on what has happened to date? This was not the accusation made in the court filings. I have no idea where you are getting this.
 
Let's say two guys pick up a drunk woman. The first rapes the woman. The second fellow hangs out then walks in and has sex with the same woman post-rope and claims consensual sex with the woman immediately after the rope. Is there a legitimate legal case for the second guy if he knew the woman was getting raped by guy 1? I suppose he can make a case but he certainly does not meet the threshold requisite to meet the student code.
If that's what happened and leath knows that's what happened he should be fired for not kicking him out of school and Pollard should be fired for offering him another annual scholarship in June after this case was heard.
 
It's uncanny how I disagree with some certain posters on EVERY subject matter. Not going to name anyone, just saying i truly despise some of your opinions in general. That's all :)
 
I'm glad innocent Bubu is taking all of his means to prove it. Same thing happens to too many innocent people, myself included, which is why I was always side with the "see what happens" crew. Clearly, that crew was right. Any defamation to Bubu now is just pathetic.

Edit: I didn't word this right, but 12 beers yada yada yada by Tech N9ne.
 
If that's what happened and leath knows that's what happened he should be fired for not kicking him out of school and Pollard should be fired for offering him another annual scholarship in June after this case was heard.
But again you know the case. Faux know.
 
But again you know the case. Faux know.
I am sorry but you are being a ******. You said there were two defendants. I said yes, I know the case in response. I commented earlier because I couldn't make out what you were saying as you were beating around the bush. If you feel the need to state that I "know the case" to every thing go right ahead but it just makes you look dumb. I "know" the allegation that Spencer raped her while bubu watched and that Bubu then raped her. Pretty sure everyone does. Spencer was not convicted of this nor was Bubu. So tell me your point? That is what I have been struggling to comprehend. What do you in fact think happened? And why do you think Bubu does not have a civil case. I really don't want to play games. If you have an argument, make it.
 
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I do not presume to know what a person goes through who has been falsely accused of rape because I have never met one. For those who presume it is just as bad as rape, I hope you heard from victims of both rape and false accusation. The victims of rape I have worked with suffer differing consequences based on the person and the circumstances of the rape. Some suffer nightmares at least weekly decades later. Others commit suicide. Some are fired from their employment, disowned by their family, murdered, stalked, shunned, and harassed. Some attempt therapy; others are subject to civil commitment. Some become addicted to drugs and alcohol in an effort to forget. Others develop a variety of sexual disorders. Some face agonizing decisions as a result of pregnancy by rape. Others endure a variety a health concerns including STDs, eating disorders, HIV/AIDS, sleep disorders, etc. Some even live fairly normal lives eventually. Some carry physical and/or emotional scars for life. All are always presumed to be liars; that is why the majority of them never file criminal or civil charges.
 
You mean the timing of it, that which bubu and his attorney didn't raise any concern about?

Obviously a miscalculation by the attorney. I'm guessing they felt fairly confident that Leath would view the facts in the same manner that every other judicial body had up to that point.
 
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