Bubu

[IAStubborn]

You don't know the case? You know two people had sexual intercourse with the female that night?

I know the case. Spencer Cruise had his charges dropped too.

 

[IAStubborn]

Anyone wonder why spencer cruise has not joined the case?

You have not made any sense all night. Few beer? What does Spencer Cruise's choice not to sue have to do with anything relating to bubu not having a case against the university.

 

[jmb]

I know the case. Spencer Cruise had his charges dropped too.

You know the case? Which case the civil or the criminal? Why hasn't Mr. Cruise joined palo action? Do you know the sequence of actions once at mr. Spencer's house?

 

[CyDude16]

I assume Leath would have the power to step in if he was adamant against a decision by the athletic department, such as letting a convicted felon back on the football team or letting a player back on the team before charges were dropped, which both happened under Leath. At least he could make it clear to JP that he didn't want the player back on the team, which would likely mean that the player wouldn't get back on the team. I too would like to see this play out in court so we get more answers and hopefully justice is done. But I tend to agree with Cysck that it is by far in ISU's best interest that this get handled as quickly and quietly as possible, especially in light of the unbelievable public statements by JP and Leath, and BuBu gets a sizable check. Just an incredible saga of incompetence.

He won't be getting a check from isu, that's for sure.

 

[jmb]

You have not made any sense all night. Few beer? What does Spencer Cruise's choice not to sue have to do with anything relating to bubu not having a case against the university.

I thought you knew the case? Clearly you don't.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

You know the case? Which case the civil or the criminal? Why hasn't Mr. Cruise joined palo action? Do you know the sequence of actions once at mr. Spencer's house?

Pure speculation on my part here:
I don't believe Spencer Cruise is a student. Once the charges against him were dropped, the accuser had no other avenue to pursue him. Bubu, on the other hand, is not only a student but a student-athlete, and the code of conduct could be used against him. After the charges were dropped against him, Spencer was not involved to the level that Bubu has been.

 

[CYKOFAN]

You know the case? Which case the civil or the criminal? Why hasn't Mr. Cruise joined palo action? Do you know the sequence of actions once at mr. Spencer's house?

You'd have to ask Mr. Cruise that question, there could be a hundred different reasons. One might be if he doesn't have any way to get the money for legal fees. He's also not a D-1 basketball player or quite as well known as BuBu.

 

[Rabbuk]

Bubu threads should be opt-in.

 

[CYKOFAN]

He won't be getting a check from isu, that's for sure.

I'd be careful. There's other things that have been said going back in this thread that haven't played out the way they were so boldly predicted.

 

[CyDude16]

I'd be careful. There's other things that have been said going back in this thread that haven't played out the way they were so boldly predicted.

Or nah.

 

[jmb]

You'd have to ask Mr. Cruise that question, there could be a hundred different reasons. One might be if he doesn't have any way to get the money for legal fees. He's also not a D-1 basketball player or quite as well known as BuBu.

You don't think this is a contingency case now? Cute.

 

[jmb]

Pure speculation on my part here:
I don't believe Spencer Cruise is a student. Once the charges against him were dropped, the accuser had no other avenue to pursue him. Bubu, on the other hand, is not only a student but a student-athlete, and the code of conduct could be used against him. After the charges were dropped against him, Spencer was not involved to the level that Bubu has been.

What does that have to do with damages? Cruise would have damages.

 

[rochclone]

You know the case? Which case the civil or the criminal? Why hasn't Mr. Cruise joined palo action? Do you know the sequence of actions once at mr. Spencer's house?

Actually, the facts of the case (I.e. the sequence of actions) are the same in both the civil and criminal proceedings. The only difference is the burden of proof. The same "facts" that Mr. Leath based his decision on were also available to the student panel, Story County Attorney's Office, and the Iowa Attorney General's office.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

What does that have to do with damages? Cruise would have damages.

Not to the same extent as Bubu. And he might not have as much of a case regarding continued accusations (constituting the malicious intent part) as Bubu does.

 

[jmb]

Actually, the facts of the case (I.e. the sequence of actions) are the same in both the civil and criminal proceedings. The only difference is the burden of proof. The same "facts" that Mr. Leath based his decision on were also available to the student panel, Story County Attorney's Office, and the Iowa Attorney General's office.

Actually the nature of the claimed violation of student ethics code violation that precluded palo and the claim for damages while similar have nuances that are important. I am looking forward to this case.

 

[jmb]

Not to the same extent as Bubu. And he might not have as much of a case regarding continued accusations (constituting the malicious intent part) as Bubu does.

Cruise could easily manufacture greater damages.

 

[rochclone]

Jmb,

I guess if you want to play the game of "non-action" equates to guilt (Spencer Cruise) then why didn't the alleged victim pursue a civil claim against Bubu and Spencer Cruise. It would have been a significantly lower level of proof (more likely than not) then the criminal proceedings.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Cruise could easily manufacture greater damages.

To what purpose? Fabricating evidence and lying about it under oath are a large part the cloud of suspicion hovering over the accuser.

 

[jmb]

Jmb,

I guess if you want to play the game on "non-action" equates to guilt (Spencer Cruise) then why didn't the alleged victim pursue a civil claim against Bubu and Spencer Cruise. Ironically it would have been a significantly lower level of proof (more likely than not) then the criminal proceedings.

The "game" I am playing is the sequence of actions matter. There are things that while morally reprehensible are able meet the threshold for removal of student-athlete yet are difficult to prosecute criminally...particularly when the one making the claim compromises the case. I believe the non-judicial process got it right, the criminal case got it right, and mr palo is wrong headed pursuing a civil case.

 

[jmb]

To what purpose? Fabricating evidence and lying about it under oath are a large part the cloud of suspicion hovering over the accuser.

Did cruise miss work, spend money defending himself while wrongfully accused, lose other opportunities etc. Not dissimilar to bubu.