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In state recruiting for 2015 class

CloneinWDSM said:
It happens everywhere. It wasn't wrong of a Iowa, just hilarious that they thought they could try to get Lazard to switch when he's said negative things about Iowa
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Which is understandable for a random fan to think that, but when you're the head coach of a D1 football program you don't grandstand like that. Not when you're talking about something your program does as well. You can't blame any major program for continuing to recruit an elite athlete who is 17 or 18 years old no matter what the situation is. No other head coach is going to chastise Rhoads for wasting his time recruiting players who have given verbal commitments. Why? Because it's unprofessional and it's childish.
 
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Frak said:
No, the way you SAID it doesn't make sense. Several of these guys are rated higher than 3/4 of ISU average recruits? So...you can pick the top 3-4 in-state kids and they're better than the average of the bottom 3/4 of ISU's class??? Well, no ****. They're probably higher ranked than the bottom 3/4 of Iowa's class as well.

Outside of the confusing way that you went about stating it, I'll agree that some of those players are higher ranked than the players that ISU has or will end up getting. But, Rivals rankings are not the be all end all. It's obvious that ISU and iowa run different schemes. Who's to say that ISU isn't recruiting other players who fit their scheme better? They have a couple dozen offers out for what will be a small class. Bottom line is that you offer kids who you think have the best chance to contribute to your team. Other recruits you either don't offer or need more evidence (summer camps or fall game film). It's not an exact science. Otherwise you wouldn't see an OL from CMU be the first pick of the draft last year.
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What do you want me to say to get this conversation with you over with? We aren't going to agree. That's clear.

I apologize you didn't understand what I was saying. You are wrong about them being ranked higher than 3/4 of Iowa's recruits. They would be more like the average in those terms. As far as your rambling about finding kids that fit the ISU scheme better... I simply don't agree. There are certain positions you take the best that you can get. You can fit a good offensive lineman into any scheme. It does not make sense why they wouldn't try.

Heck, it was well known that when Bielema was at Wisconsin he would keep an eye on the kids Iowa was recruiting, and when he found out he would then go after them. Ferentz and his staff, mostly Reese Morgan, are excellent at finding unheralded recruits. Especially from small town Iowa. If I was Rhoads and I knew my program was right in these guys backyard, and Iowa extended an offer I would be in on it right away. It doesn't hurt to try.
 
Section110 said:
What do you want me to say to get this conversation with you over with? We aren't going to agree. That's clear.

I apologize you didn't understand what I was saying. You are wrong about them being ranked higher than 3/4 of Iowa's recruits. They would be more like the average in those terms. As far as your rambling about finding kids that fit the ISU scheme better... I simply don't agree. There are certain positions you take the best that you can get. You can fit a good offensive lineman into any scheme. It does not make sense why they wouldn't try.

Heck, it was well known that when Bielema was at Wisconsin he would keep an eye on the kids Iowa was recruiting, and when he found out he would then go after them. Ferentz and his staff, mostly Reese Morgan, are excellent at finding unheralded recruits. Especially from small town Iowa. If I was Rhoads and I knew my program was right in these guys backyard, and Iowa extended an offer I would be in on it right away. It doesn't hurt to try.
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Wow, I hope ISU doesn't do anything you're talking about. If they start making offers based on Rivals rankings and what Iowa is doing it's time for a coaching change.
 
Section110 said:
What do you want me to say to get this conversation with you over with? We aren't going to agree. That's clear.

I apologize you didn't understand what I was saying. You are wrong about them being ranked higher than 3/4 of Iowa's recruits. They would be more like the average in those terms. As far as your rambling about finding kids that fit the ISU scheme better... I simply don't agree. There are certain positions you take the best that you can get. You can fit a good offensive lineman into any scheme. It does not make sense why they wouldn't try.

Heck, it was well known that when Bielema was at Wisconsin he would keep an eye on the kids Iowa was recruiting, and when he found out he would then go after them. Ferentz and his staff, mostly Reese Morgan, are excellent at finding unheralded recruits. Especially from small town Iowa. If I was Rhoads and I knew my program was right in these guys backyard, and Iowa extended an offer I would be in on it right away. It doesn't hurt to try.
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JFC you are annoying. Go jerk off about iowa on one of your own boards.
 
The most Iowa thing ever, rag on Iowa State when all their commits have no other BCS offers, but when its the other way around the #diamondinrough theory is in full effect.
 
Section110 said:
What do you want me to say to get this conversation with you over with? We aren't going to agree. That's clear.

I apologize you didn't understand what I was saying. You are wrong about them being ranked higher than 3/4 of Iowa's recruits. They would be more like the average in those terms. As far as your rambling about finding kids that fit the ISU scheme better... I simply don't agree. There are certain positions you take the best that you can get. You can fit a good offensive lineman into any scheme. It does not make sense why they wouldn't try.

Heck, it was well known that when Bielema was at Wisconsin he would keep an eye on the kids Iowa was recruiting, and when he found out he would then go after them. Ferentz and his staff, mostly Reese Morgan, are excellent at finding unheralded recruits. Especially from small town Iowa. If I was Rhoads and I knew my program was right in these guys backyard, and Iowa extended an offer I would be in on it right away. It doesn't hurt to try.
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You also have to consider that ISU doesn't think they are good enough. All they have are Iowa offers - so its not like they are a known commodity. It's also a good year to "strike out" on Iowa recruits - if such a thing exists. I don't see any difference makers like a Lazard and Campos. Would be nice to maybe get some big OL's if we can, but, we will be just fine.
 
There is no doubt in my mind that ISU would take commitments from the Paulsens if they said today they wanted to commit. To say otherwise is just sour grapes.
 
Istate said:
Silly comment. ISU would take a scholarship acceptance from any one of the guys committed to Iowa this second if they would change their mind. Recruiting is a tough game. Iowa has a slightly easier job of recruiting than ISU because they are the name school between the two of us. ISU however has a little better tie to areas that produce more skilled-athletes so it's no wonder why ISU spends more time in those areas.
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I think we would take a commit from the Paulsen twins, but I don't we were interested in the other players.

We absolutely did not want Boyle as QB and did not offer him because we are focused on Joey Burrow and a couple other options after that.

The other Olineman they have is 6'3, which is smaller than any other offensive line commit we have had in a long time.

I don't know anything about Drew Cook, but he is a 2 star right now so it isn't a lock that ISU loves him.

You have to remember ISU and Iowa run very different systems, and Iowa is hard to beat out for offensive linemen like the Paulsen twins, who grew up Hawk fans IIRC.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
I think we would take a commit from the Paulsen twins, but I don't we were interested in the other players.

We absolutely did not want Boyle as QB and did not offer him because we are focused on Joey Burrow and a couple other options after that.

The other Olineman they have is 6'3, which is smaller than any other offensive line commit we have had in a long time.

I don't know anything about Drew Cook, but he is a 2 star right now so it isn't a lock that ISU loves him.

You have to remember ISU and Iowa run very different systems, and Iowa is hard to beat out for offensive linemen like the Paulsen twins, who grew up Hawk fans IIRC.
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Drew Cook is a top 300 player on ESPN but he is a legacy recruit so I am sure ISU wasn't ever going to make a big push.
 
cytown said:
Then why no offer? I'm not saying you are wrong, either.
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If I remember right they said they were in contact with the coaching staff a lot last year and then the staff changes started happening and they said they didn't hear from them for a long time. But I would but they are reaching out to them now. Like someone said they do have a parent that went to ISU.
 
rholtgraves said:
Drew Cook is a top 300 player on ESPN but he is a legacy recruit so I am sure ISU wasn't ever going to make a big push.
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Which makes sense although I really, really don't like ESPN's football recruiting. And not just when it is convenient for me.

There just weren't a lot of quality players in Iowa this year, and the ones that were decent had a huge bias towards Iowa, which is how it goes sometimes. It's hard to sway kids from their initial allegiances, just ask Iowa about Campos and Lazard.
 
rholtgraves said:
If I remember right they said they were in contact with the coaching staff a lot last year and then the staff changes started happening and they said they didn't hear from them for a long time. But I would but they are reaching out to them now. Like someone said they do have a parent that went to ISU.
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I think Bill Bleil was recruiting them. I could be wrong though.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
I think we would take a commit from the Paulsen twins, but I don't we were interested in the other players.

We absolutely did not want Boyle as QB and did not offer him because we are focused on Joey Burrow and a couple other options after that.

The other Olineman they have is 6'3, which is smaller than any other offensive line commit we have had in a long time.

I don't know anything about Drew Cook, but he is a 2 star right now so it isn't a lock that ISU loves him.

You have to remember ISU and Iowa run very different systems, and Iowa is hard to beat out for offensive linemen like the Paulsen twins, who grew up Hawk fans IIRC.
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Dont know if that is correct, at least their parents are Iowa State fans from what I have read
 
cytown said:
You also have to consider that ISU doesn't think they are good enough. All they have are Iowa offers - so its not like they are a known commodity. It's also a good year to "strike out" on Iowa recruits - if such a thing exists. I don't see any difference makers like a Lazard and Campos. Would be nice to maybe get some big OL's if we can, but, we will be just fine.
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Depends what your definition of just fine is I guess. I agree the talent in this year's class is somewhat underwhelming. Then again would you have said Scherff was a difference maker at that time? I probably wouldn't have. He's as big of a difference maker now as it gets.
 
Section110 said:
Depends what your definition of just fine is I guess. I agree the talent in this year's class is somewhat underwhelming. Then again would you have said Scherff was a difference maker at that time? I probably wouldn't have. He's as big of a difference maker now as it gets.
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Iowa State offered Scherff, right?
 
Section110 said:
What do you want me to say to get this conversation with you over with? We aren't going to agree. That's clear.

I apologize you didn't understand what I was saying. You are wrong about them being ranked higher than 3/4 of Iowa's recruits. They would be more like the average in those terms. As far as your rambling about finding kids that fit the ISU scheme better... I simply don't agree. There are certain positions you take the best that you can get. You can fit a good offensive lineman into any scheme. It does not make sense why they wouldn't try.

Heck, it was well known that when Bielema was at Wisconsin he would keep an eye on the kids Iowa was recruiting, and when he found out he would then go after them. Ferentz and his staff, mostly Reese Morgan, are excellent at finding unheralded recruits. Especially from small town Iowa. If I was Rhoads and I knew my program was right in these guys backyard, and Iowa extended an offer I would be in on it right away. It doesn't hurt to try.
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Don't worry, the conversation ended when ISU didn't offer. Other kids have ISU offers. They obviously liked those kids better. It's not like a kid getting an iowa offer automatically makes him a future NFL player, they've had plenty of wash outs. ISU has a small class this year and has to be very selective. There's a decent chance that KF is right and Rhoads/Mangino are wrong, but I'm betting that they know a lot more about player evaluation and finding players that fit their scheme than you do.
 
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