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I don't think comparing basketball coaching to football coaching is fair. Finding the right combination of 5 guys on the court vs 11 on the field is different, to me. I also think recruiting basketball versus football players is different.

That being said, I think it would be great to bring him in doing something. OC right off the bat might be a stretch but seeing how he does in a different role would be great. Got to see how he is with the players and stuff.

It's tough because I like the guy, he's a Cyclone great. But that doesn't directly translate into a great coach.
 
KK had 4 years of coaching experience, 2 of them at the OC level, before becoming an FBS OC.

And just because KK can do it doesn't mean Sage can. They are two completely different people.

To say nothing about Hoiberg...

Now is not the time for a Hail Mary
 
Aclone said:
A long career as a coach, including successive promotions where the performance of his units improved markedly?

That was an easy one. Got another--like, say "What's 2+2"?
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Yeah and to say nothing of 14 seasons as an offensive assistant at the D1 level including 3 at ISU prior to taking over as OC.
 
HFCS said:
Nothing is certain, but I'd go as far as calling it "quite likely" that a guy who was a QB in the NFL the past 12 years who wanted the job badly would be better at calling plays and coaching qb than what we've seen lately.
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"Calling plays" is about 5% of the responsibilities of an OC. Real football is a little more complicated than XBox.
 
We aren't going to get a big time OC to leave their job to come to Ames. We need to make a risky hire, and I'd be fine with Sage. He's a smart guy who played in several systems in the NFL. He's the type of guy who was successful from hard work and doing things right rather than just getting by with pure talent.. He could coach.
 
RustShack said:
We aren't going to get a big time OC to leave their job to come to Ames. We need to make a risky hire, and I'd be fine with Sage. He's a smart guy who played in several systems in the NFL. He's the type of guy who was successful from hard work and doing things right rather than just getting by with pure talent.. He could coach.
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I completely agree with this. I have no problem going with a young guy, even if somewhat unproven. Could be Sage. Could be some other guy. Better than older hacks that have a lot of experience at sucking. Or better than the buddy system that Chizik and Rhoads seem to be using.
 
How bout we don't hire people that are jobless (Sturdy, and Klenakis) and start hiring people that MAC level schools will be sad to see go (NIU offensive staff maybe?)
 
cycfan1 said:
Why does everyone think a mediocre NFL quarterback is going to come in and solve our OC problems. I love Sage, but he has not coached anything yet. This is no where near a Hoiberg hire. Not even comparable. Needs to work his way up the ranks.
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FYI, we're the bottom of "the ranks".
 
We need to spend some money and get a good, known quantity at this point. The ship is sinking quickly.
 
CyinCo said:
We need to spend some money and get a good, known quantity at this point. The ship is sinking quickly.
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Money was not the problem when Mess was hired. Or when the likes of Wayne Bolt were hired. We identified money as an issue in attracting assistants several years ago. And we went out and got the money needed to get quality assistants. But except for 1-2, the quality assistants never came. And we were just paying high quality money to the same low quality assistants of the type that we already had.
 
awd4cy said:
Sage is a very smart man and has been around football for a long time. I won't be upset if Rhoads gives him an opportunity at OC.
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I would. Playing in an offense and actually designing and coaching it are completely different things. Unless I missed something, Sage has zero coaching experience. No offense to Sage, but you just don't make that kind of a hire without some kind of experience.

I wouldn't have a problem with him coming in and getting a look at QB coach or something on that level, but no way do you appoint him as the OC. Might even be different if Rhoads were an offensive coach. Then he could mold him to what he wanted in an OC. We need someone with coaching experience that has had a major role in shaping an offense. And it wouldn't be too hard to get a guy either. I would think anyone from a mid major conference would jump at the chance and the paycheck to come to a Big 12 school.
 
Lets be honest, could Sage possibly make the offense worse than it already is? I'm thinking not, and maybe since he was a QB he might not annihilate the QB position for us...
 
NEICyFan said:
"Calling plays" is about 5% of the responsibilities of an OC. Real football is a little more complicated than XBox.
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I'll go along with your statement that calling plays is only 5% of an OC's job. You're saying being an NFL QB for 12 years doesn't help with the other 95%...or doesn't give one a chance to be better at parts of that 95% than a failing college assistant coach?

This is all a hypothetical what if discussion, but I'd always take a chance on any veteran NFL qb over a failing college OC assuming the NFL qb is very excited and motivated to have a coaching career. It's not like we're talking about a position where physical ability is the biggest key, every long career veteran NFL QB understands how offenses work at a very very high level or they wouldn't have had a job all those years.
 
cycloneworld said:
I love Sage as much as the next Cyclone, but what has he done to earn an OC position at a BCS level school?

QB coach? Sure. OC? No way...at least not right away.
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Assuming we still want to go with the spread, does Sage have any experience with the spread offense? I know we didn't run anything close to it when he was here, and I can't imagine his time in the NFL, especially with the teams he was with, has given him any real knowledge of how a spread offense works.
 
From Iowa States website:

Messingham's tenure at USM saw the Golden Eagles go to three straight bowl games. He coached on Southern Mississippi's 2006 Conference USA East Division championship team. At USM, Messingham coached running back Damion Fletcher, the 2007 winner of the Conerly Trophy. The Conerly Trophy is given annually to the best college football player in the state of Mississippi.
Messingham was head coach at Upper Iowa in Fayette, Iowa, in 2003 and 2004. He was on the Missouri State staff from 1999 to 2002 with one season as receivers coach and three seasons as offensive coordinator.


Messingham has a proven offensive mind. He guided Missouri State quarterback Austin Moherman to a pair of impressive seasons as the Bears' quarterback. In those two seasons (2000 and 2001), Moherman completed 308-of-560 passes for 3,964 yards. The Missouri State offensive averaged 432 yards per game in 2001 to lead the Missouri Valley Conference. Moherman completed 20 straight passes to start a game, an NCAA record, against Indiana State in 2002.

Messingham was at Truman State from 1995-1999, the last two seasons as offensive coordinator. At Truman State, Messingham coached running back Jarrett Anderson, who claimed the 1996 Harlon Hill award as the nation's best NCAA Division II player.

Messingham was the offensive coordinator at Iowa Lakes Community College from 1993 to 1995 and offensive coordinator at St. Ambrose (Iowa) University during the 1991 and 1992 seasons.
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I guess I would take a former NFL backup QB that not only has more passion for Iowa State, but would likely bring in more players just by pulling the NFL card, than a coach that shares his amazing history as a coordinator at community colleges, and was a running coach for a dominating Southern Miss team, that made it to bowl games playing in the conference USA.
 
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