This is not a comprehensive list of steriod users. It is only those revealed by a couple of sources. Their are many more users we may never know about or will gradually find out about as more sources our found. Unfortunatly there is still a cloud over many other players.
The Mitchell Report (Names Added)
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Here are some names that I am surprised weren't on the list...
1. Steve "Bye Bye" Balboni
2. Bob "the Hammer" Hamlin
3. John Kruk
4. Charlie Kerfield
5. Fernando Valenzuela
6. David Wells
Oh wait, eating too many hot dogs wasn't in the scope of the research was it.
1. Steve "Bye Bye" Balboni
2. Bob "the Hammer" Hamlin
3. John Kruk
4. Charlie Kerfield
5. Fernando Valenzuela
6. David Wells
Oh wait, eating too many hot dogs wasn't in the scope of the research was it.
I'm curious as to why you have Albert Pujols on your list. I did a search through the report and he's not in there at all. His name also isn't listed on the website link you provided. The reason I bring this up is because upon seeing his name on your list, it got me wondering what the official Cardinals response would be. I checked their website, and lo and behold, no mention of him. That's when I started digging and found that he's not actually in the Mitchell Report at all.
*Edit* Here's the mlb.com link to the full Mitchell Report http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
A station in New York originally published a wrong list. I imagine that is where this comes from...
As outspoken as Curt Schilling has been on the issue it should make for some interesting conferences on the mound with him and Varitek...
Ah, OK, thanks. I thought maybe it was an under-handed attack by a cubs fan. :wink: I was wondering why you didn't just list the other like 10 guys on the real list who actually are/were Cards. :biglaugh:
Pulhols??? He is Mr. Clean, Mr. Cardinal. He only hits 35 homeruns a year. He does have quite a nice build tyhough and he did cme back from injury fairly fast last year.
Don Fear is talkng to media now. He has a lot of work to do for his union. Like damage control.
Don Fear is talkng to media now. He has a lot of work to do for his union. Like damage control.
Re: The Mitchell Report
Yea but if you look at the list, a ton of the players are current or ex red sox players.
Yea but if you look at the list, a ton of the players are current or ex red sox players.
7. Juan "Igor" Gonzales
8. Pedro Martinez
9. Mark Prior
10.Cecil Fielder
11. Troy Glaus
Oh wait some of those names are on there, Ok now lets play Name the former Cubs.
I think many of you need to better understand this report and what it indicates:
--As someone earlier stated...this is not a comprehensive list...frankly, it probably barely scratches the surface since these 80 or so names were uncovered from just 2 "clubhouse sources". Since both of these guys were in the NYC market there is a strong bias in the report to NY players and east coast players.
--There was no Federal investigation here...Mitchell was acting as a private citizen at the request of MLB...not in any Federal capacity...therefore, he was not able to subpoena anyone and compel testimony...he could only beg for it and as has been noted, nearly everyone (players) declined to talk to him.
--Mitchell said that he found "widespread use" of performance enhancing drugs in his presser and then later said in an interview that the "majority of players are clean". This report had about 60 names of players that played last year (of the roughly 750 players on MLB rosters)...that is about 8 percent or so of players. The reality is that somewhere between 10-50% of players are doing this stuff...so it is likely that 30-40% of those engaged in these practices didn't make this list. So just because your favorite player wasn't on the list doesn't mean he is "clean".
For you Pujols fans...to correct what someone said earlier...he is averaging slightly over 40 HRs a year in his first 7 years. He has hit over 40 in 4 of his 7 years. I would like to believe he is not a user but, frankly, this report makes me more than a little suspicious even though his name is not on it. There is a high number of Latin American players on the list. This is due to a couple of factors...1)the poverty in many of these countries (including Pujols' native DR) is so great that kids in these countries will do nearly anything to get out and they view baseball as the only viable option and 2)the access to performance enhancing drugs is great because these countries simply do not have the same level of regulations that our country does. Consequently, it is my understanding that many kids in these countries are taking performance enhancing drugs in their very early teens to improve their "baseball stock".
--As someone earlier stated...this is not a comprehensive list...frankly, it probably barely scratches the surface since these 80 or so names were uncovered from just 2 "clubhouse sources". Since both of these guys were in the NYC market there is a strong bias in the report to NY players and east coast players.
--There was no Federal investigation here...Mitchell was acting as a private citizen at the request of MLB...not in any Federal capacity...therefore, he was not able to subpoena anyone and compel testimony...he could only beg for it and as has been noted, nearly everyone (players) declined to talk to him.
--Mitchell said that he found "widespread use" of performance enhancing drugs in his presser and then later said in an interview that the "majority of players are clean". This report had about 60 names of players that played last year (of the roughly 750 players on MLB rosters)...that is about 8 percent or so of players. The reality is that somewhere between 10-50% of players are doing this stuff...so it is likely that 30-40% of those engaged in these practices didn't make this list. So just because your favorite player wasn't on the list doesn't mean he is "clean".
For you Pujols fans...to correct what someone said earlier...he is averaging slightly over 40 HRs a year in his first 7 years. He has hit over 40 in 4 of his 7 years. I would like to believe he is not a user but, frankly, this report makes me more than a little suspicious even though his name is not on it. There is a high number of Latin American players on the list. This is due to a couple of factors...1)the poverty in many of these countries (including Pujols' native DR) is so great that kids in these countries will do nearly anything to get out and they view baseball as the only viable option and 2)the access to performance enhancing drugs is great because these countries simply do not have the same level of regulations that our country does. Consequently, it is my understanding that many kids in these countries are taking performance enhancing drugs in their very early teens to improve their "baseball stock".
One thing to think about it that players have clubhouse attendents run errands, ship things, and order things for them all the time. Alot of these clubhouse attendents also get paid directly from the players for dues. They are responsible for getting lunch, dinner, and anything else the players need. Players ALWAYS write checks for this because they can write it off on taxes and I beleive dues run about $40/day. Alot of the players who make more money choose to pay the 'clubbie' more. I know Griffey would always give the clubbie a car at the end of the year... Something to think about when looking at all the canceled checks...
As far as I'm concerned, this list named players that we already knew about or highly suspected, or players that we really couldn't care less about. Other than the players that we already knew doped due to admission and/or failed tests, this report is nothing more than circumstantial evidence and a bunch of he-said-she-saids. Under most circumstances, this report proves absolutely nothing, and when Selig says he's going to prosecute on a "case-by-case" basis, this tells me he has absolutely nothing and no one's going to be suspended over it. As much as I'd like to see Bonds and Clemens burn over this, they're not simply because they've never tested positive.
As far as Canseco getting ready to go on his "I told you so" tour, he can go burn for all I care. Whether the guy was right or not, he gets zero respect from me. The guy isn't fingering people for the good/integrity of the game, he's doing it because he got caught and now just wants to take as many people down with him as possible. The Italian half of my blood has absolutely no respect for snitches, and that's all he is. I have a lot more respect for Frank Thomas, a guy that could have easily decided to shoot up and put up the same kind of numbers that McGuire, Canseco, and Bonds did, but instead stayed clean. Personally, I regard Thomas' 500 home runs as a much greater accomplishment that Bonds' 760+.
As far as Canseco getting ready to go on his "I told you so" tour, he can go burn for all I care. Whether the guy was right or not, he gets zero respect from me. The guy isn't fingering people for the good/integrity of the game, he's doing it because he got caught and now just wants to take as many people down with him as possible. The Italian half of my blood has absolutely no respect for snitches, and that's all he is. I have a lot more respect for Frank Thomas, a guy that could have easily decided to shoot up and put up the same kind of numbers that McGuire, Canseco, and Bonds did, but instead stayed clean. Personally, I regard Thomas' 500 home runs as a much greater accomplishment that Bonds' 760+.
I think Frank Thomas cemented his spot in Cooperstown by cooperating with this report. He was probably the most dominant RH hitter in the '90s, and anyone in their right mind knows he did it cleanly.
Does anyone else think it's a little suspicious that the Yankees and A-Rod finalized their deal on the day that the Mitchell Report was released? You suppose the Yankees were waiting to see if someone's name in particular was on that list before they made such an investment? The Astros should have done the same thing.
Does anyone else think it's a little suspicious that the Yankees and A-Rod finalized their deal on the day that the Mitchell Report was released? You suppose the Yankees were waiting to see if someone's name in particular was on that list before they made such an investment? The Astros should have done the same thing.
The other guy that I think is cemented in Cooperstown is Ken Griffey Jr. It's obvious the guy's clean - he's not big and bulky like the other power hitters - he just has an unbelievably sweet swing that no other power hitter in baseball has. It's just too bad the guy ran into injuries as I think he would have easily taken Bonds out, and he would have done it without the juice.
By no means am I saying that as an excuse, it's just another thing to think about. Having played minor league ball I am very happy this came out. It's a strange situation in a clubhouse when you are competing with 24 other guys for a spot at the next level and you are wondering who is doing it the right way and who is getting an edge. I have known alot of people who have fallen into the trap, it's tempting, you have guys all over getting an edge in a situation where you are trying to put food on your table. Especially in the minor leagues you have guys making $600-1000 a month for six months, a far cry from the minimum $300,000 just for making a big league roster. I know that I have personally been offered a shortcut, and it took me a long time to decide not to. If I thought it would have given me enough of an edge to get there then I would have. In the end, I just felt it would have made me better, but not better enough to make that jump...