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jdoggivjc said:
Twisted by the Dark Side he is.

Uninformed - so uninformed.

Nebraska didn't leave because of Texas' greed, they left because of their own ego. Nebraska is just as greedy as Texas is, voted along the same lines as Texas for more than a decade to attain the same goals as Texas. But yet they lost out in the battle for power. Perhaps they should have learned to be nationally relevant on the football field WITHOUT using partial qualifies instead of being noisy ******* about not being able to use them. But then again, Nebraska's entire football history and relevance were built on partial qualifies. I honestly don't get the public sympathy for Nebraska - their stated reasons for going to the Big 10 are the very things they were outright opposed to in the Big 12 (equal revenue sharing, BFN, etc). Nebraska is nothing more than a whiny hypocrite that somehow got the public to feel sorry for them.

As far as Colorado, they didn't leave for the Pac 10 to get away from Texas, they left to get into the Pac 10 before Texas brought BAYLOR with them. They were not trying to get away from Texas, they were trying to not be the school left in a crumbling conference.

I'm not saying that Texas is blameless, but your blatant and gross misinformation has led you to place the lion's share of the blame at the wrong set of feet. At least Texas has tried to hold this conference together - that's far more than Nebraska can say, which is openly praying for the demise of the Big 12 so their butt hurt feels better...
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Um, Remember when the B12 formed? UNL said the same things then as they did last year, that the revenue sharing was whack. They didn't like it then, and they didn't like it last year either. CU left mainly from the timing, but the imbalance of $ was a main factor in all of this; do you think CU would of left on its own merits?

PS; the main reason UT is trying to hold this conference together is because no other conference will allow the unequal revenue sharing they enjoy. LHN is gone if they go B10 or Pac12.

Double PS: If you are reading this as some kind of sympathy for UNL, you are sorely mistaken...
 
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jdoggivjc said:
Twisted by the Dark Side he is.

Uninformed - so uninformed.

Nebraska didn't leave because of Texas' greed, they left because of their own ego. Nebraska is just as greedy as Texas is, voted along the same lines as Texas for more than a decade to attain the same goals as Texas. But yet they lost out in the battle for power. Perhaps they should have learned to be nationally relevant on the football field WITHOUT using partial qualifies instead of being noisy ******* about not being able to use them. But then again, Nebraska's entire football history and relevance were built on partial qualifies. I honestly don't get the public sympathy for Nebraska - their stated reasons for going to the Big 10 are the very things they were outright opposed to in the Big 12 (equal revenue sharing, BFN, etc). Nebraska is nothing more than a whiny hypocrite that somehow got the public to feel sorry for them.

As far as Colorado, they didn't leave for the Pac 10 to get away from Texas, they left to get into the Pac 10 before Texas brought BAYLOR with them. They were not trying to get away from Texas, they were trying to not be the school left in a crumbling conference.

I'm not saying that Texas is blameless, but your blatant and gross misinformation has led you to place the lion's share of the blame at the wrong set of feet. At least Texas has tried to hold this conference together - that's far more than Nebraska can say, which is openly praying for the demise of the Big 12 so their butt hurt feels better...
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The way their sports department is going, I do not see them as a great fit being on th e wrong side of the Rockies. They may be Pac 12 laggards for awhile. Where will they recruit? California?
 
alarson said:
This wouldve been something for a year ago. If a year ago all the schools like OU, NU, TAMU had said to texas 'you do what you want, go indy, go pac, whatever, we're staying here and we ARE creating a conference network and equal revenue sharing with or without you', instead of joining up with them on their talks to move west, we possibly couldve held on to nebraska. We probably wouldve held on to TAMU. Texas may have still left, but i doubt it. They didnt want to leave all by themselves, itd be a disaster for travel.

Texas's greed undoubtedly plays a role, but the 10-11 other schools had it in their power to unite and tell UT where to go with that greed as well, and they didnt.
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Totally agree. UT was just doing what the other schools allowed them to do. The blame rests just as much with OU, Neb, a&m and the Buffs. The truth is these schools have national championships, Heisman trophy winners, etc. The others (KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor) weren't in any position to tell Texas what to do.

If UT is the devil that some make them out to be, OU, Neb, a&m made a deal with him. And then are surprised when it doesn't work out??
 
One thing I saw on the okie boards or responses from okie about going to the PAC was involving their academics. They thought being in the PAC would give their academics more credence. Basically, we won't be any smarter but we will feel smarter if we go there.

Yeah..... Sounds right by me.
 
I am saying that these schools stay after Tam, UT, and OU divorce: ISU, KU, KSU, MO, OSU, Baylor. The schools to add in priority order whether possible or not:

ND, BYU, Pitt, TCU, Louisville, AF, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, Rutgers, UCF, Syracuse, WVU, Arkansas, SMU, and even Colorado for one more time.
 
herbicide said:
Um, Remember when the B12 formed? UNL said the same things then as they did last year, that the revenue sharing was whack. They didn't like it then, and they didn't like it last year either. CU left mainly from the timing, but the imbalance of $ was a main factor in all of this; do you think CU would of left on its own merits?

PS; the main reason UT is trying to hold this conference together is because no other conference will allow the unequal revenue sharing they enjoy. LHN is gone if they go B10 or Pac12.
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So somehow equal revenue sharing is "whack" in the Big 12, but it was one of the primary reasons why they joined the Big 10? :confused:

My point stands - Nebraska is nothing but a noisy hypocrite that helped create the "Texas monster" all the while hoping to be the "Nebraska monster" and bailed out and left everyone else to clean up the mess when first they didn't become the monster and second the one that became the monster grew out of control.
 
BCClone said:
One thing I saw on the okie boards or responses from okie about going to the PAC was involving their academics. They thought being in the PAC would give their academics more credence. Basically, we won't be any smarter but we will feel smarter if we go there.

Yeah..... Sounds right by me.
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The great sucking sound? Education by osmosis?
 
It is Wednesday. Tam is headed down to the bus stop again to see if she can catch a ride to anywhere.
 
I still think some over estimate the power of ou and osu leaving. That alone does not dissolve the conf. The remaining schools have to stick together and make tbs exit fees stick.
 
I like Wesley's list. (sorry my Boise st caused a face palm) but it just a quick thought.

Regardless the remaining big 12 schools need a list and need to be exploring EVERY option.
 
It mentions the MAC, so no.

For everyone who thinks we might get left out, please put a little more thought into it.

Football is king so I will only mention that, but in other sports we are very attractive. In the last couple years we have went into UNL and UT and won. We went to a bowl and won. We beat Iowa this year, Texas tech last hear. Actually led Utah and played them well if you throw out that awful second quarter.

We ripped northern Illinois, who won the MAC if memory serves me right. We have good attendance, but we can do better. We have the smallest budget in the big XII, but would have a solid budget in the BE and a big one in the mtn west and would look like UT in conference USA and the MAC. This is even without the tv money.

Edit. We also have solid fans who create a good fan base. We will fill stadiums more than MAC,USA,and mtn west fans currently do and bring more sets than most those conferences
 
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Wesley said:
I am saying that these schools stay after Tam, UT, and OU divorce: ISU, KU, KSU, MO, OSU, Baylor. The schools to add in priority order whether possible or not:

ND, BYU, Pitt, TCU, Louisville, AF, Houston, Cincinnati, USF, Rutgers, UCF, Syracuse, WVU, Arkansas, SMU, and even Colorado for one more time.
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OSU is going with OU aren't they?
 
BCClone said:
It mentions the MAC, so no.

For everyone who thinks we might get left out, please put a little more thought into it.

Football is king so I will only mention that, but in other sports we are very attractive. In the last couple years we have went into UNL and UT and won. We went to a bowl and won. We beat Iowa this year, Texas tech last hear. Actually led Utah and played them well if you throw out that awful second quarter.

We ripped northern Illinois, who won the MAC if memory serves me right. We have good attendance, but we can do better. We have the smallest budget in the big XII, but would have a solid budget in the BE and a big one in the mtn west and would look like UT in conference USA and the MAC. This is even without the tv money.

Edit. We also have solid fans who create a good fan base. We will fill stadiums more than MAC,USA,and mtn west fans currently do and bring more sets than most those conferences
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I believe we have the second smallest budget. Baylor is less. And remember that part of the reason is due to unequal revenue sharing.

We average 45,000 plus throughout the season for football. This year I believe we could average close to 50,000. JTS is continuing to improve as a sports entertainment option for the state of IOWA. IMO, we have tremendous growth potential. Paul Rhoads is building a program that is having success and will lead to young people becoming fans of the program. Iowa is still reaping the benefits of the Fry Era and some of the success from the Ferentz Era. We WERE reaping the benefits of the Earle Bruce Era, and then Donnie Duncan came along and stopped the momentum which was crushed by the Criner and Walden Eras. Add in a complete lack of vision and growth under BVD and you can see we had over a decade of lost potential.

The Big 12 revenue sharing was implemented by the greed of Nebraska and Oklahoma with the support of Texas and aTm. They liked the advantages the revenue sharing formula gave them. Nebraska got PO'd when Texas overtook them as the school of power in the conference. While they have a decent football program, they are a mere shadow of what they once were. IMO, the Big Ten could have done better. Fans have short memories. Although in a weak Big Ten Conference the Huskers will probably have decent success.
 
herbicide said:
Tell me o'wise one, what exactly are they saying?
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Instead of believing what the NU schills and Berry Tramel tell you, look at the facts and make your own decision. It doesn't matter what OU, TAMU, or NU say, it matters what they did and are doing, and in revenue sharing matters, OU, TAMU and NU voted with UT, because they wanted to get exactly what UT got. Also, the facts indicate that TAMU has been trying to divorce itself from UT long before the creation of the Big 12.

It's extremely difficult for me to understand how a rational person can look at the hypocricy and complacency in the voting patterns of OU, TAMU, and NU in Big 12 policy matters, and the motivations of TAMU, OU, CU, and NU, and somehow lay the entire blame on UT. But if it makes you feel better for some reason, go right on ahead.
 
Boxerdaddy said:
Who cares what the perception is. Seriously everyone is butthurt over a university doing what any other university in the Big12 could do. Tell me what they've done that is so atrocious? They have been trying to keep OU here. Seriously someone please list why TX is so bad.
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They need to promote equal revenue sharing and pull the conference back together. They aren't.
 
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