*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Boxerdaddy]

I don't think anyone had a problem with the LHN until they began the attempt to broadcast high school games.

Sun sports in FL does it. They have rights to FL and FL State. I personally don't think it should be allowed either and glad the NCAA stepped in... BUT I think this is more on ESPN trying to find someway to make money on this network. HS FB is huge in TX

 

[acgclone]

And Nebby left cuz they can't beat TX. They were the proponents of a weighted distribution of TV funds. They even had plans for their own network. CU left cuz they thought Mizzou was leaving and Nebby leaving was going to leave them out in the cold if the tX and Oklahoma schools went to the Pac10.

CU has been flirting with the Pac 10 for 15+ years. I don't think it had a lot to do with Mizzou. They saw their window and decided now was the best time. They have been wanting the Pac 10 for a long time, and a reasonable case could be made that they fit in better with the Pac 10, than the B12, unlike most of these other expansion scenarios.

 

[Al_4_State]

FSU forming committee to explore conference options | CollegeFootballTalk



Here we go!

We'll see. I think the SEC would go after Mizzou or WVU first.

 

[Pseudonym]

I don't think anyone had a problem with the LHN until they began the attempt to broadcast high school games.

Which they voluntarily stopped literally after about 2 weeks.

 

[cyclonepower]

Boomer said that in the Pac 12 that they would have 1 to 2 games max that would start at 9 central

 

[gocubs2118]

Are you volunteering to pay the exit penalty?

There won't be an exit fee if the conference blows up.

 

[Wesley]

And how many Oklahomans are going to tune into road games that start at 10pm Central time? This makes no sense. I think they are bluffing.

If I was a USC fan in LA, I would never make a road trip to Norman or the other white meat town. Colorado would have more appeal.

 

[IcSyU]

Exactly stormin!

I think their are quite a few schools we could look to add who would jump at the chance.

I thinking a harder look needs to be taken at future state. How does a schools popularity increase in a bcs conf? I think adding tcu and Boise st would be beneficial to both sides.

Oh yeah, Boise State is just a ******* brilliant idea. The University presidents would LOVE that, as would both Boise State fans in Idaho.

There just aren't enough facepalms in the world.

 

[herbicide]

Their greed? explain please. UT entered in to a deal for their 3rd tier rights...same as we have with Learfield. Only their's is with ESPN and getting a crap ton more money. If we had as many followers Learfield would have their own network too. Take a look at the numbers...we've had for the past few years been getting more money than TX for our 3rd tier rights.

Who voted on this? It was approved by all the universities. TX has ONE vote same as us. So please tell me specifically what they did is so greedy. Would you say Ohio State is greedy? Their 3rd teir package was for over 100 million and that was a few years ago. Didn't break up the Big10

I don't think anyone had a problem with the LHN until they began the attempt to broadcast high school games.

This. Plus last year Nebraska made it very clear the reasons they wanted to leave. Now everybody else is more or less saying the same things.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Sun sports in FL does it. They have rights to FL and FL State. I personally don't think it should be allowed either and glad the NCAA stepped in... BUT I think this is more on ESPN trying to find someway to make money on this network. HS FB is huge in TX

The estimation of $3 million a year last summer for a LHN is what doomed the Big 12. ESPN came and paid $15 million a year in early 2011. I totally get Texas A&M and OU, $3 million is peddle pushing, $15 million is material. Neither of those schools can that money as a stand alone, so other options are on the table.

 

[herbicide]

Which they voluntarily stopped literally after about 2 weeks.

The thought is what counted. Besides, the NCAA ruled that they couldn't do that.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Dude, UT and their greed is the entire reason this is all shaking out. It is also the root cause of UNL and CU leaving last year.

Twisted by the Dark Side he is.

Uninformed - so uninformed.

Nebraska didn't leave because of Texas' greed, they left because of their own ego. Nebraska is just as greedy as Texas is, voted along the same lines as Texas for more than a decade to attain the same goals as Texas. But yet they lost out in the battle for power. Perhaps they should have learned to be nationally relevant on the football field WITHOUT using partial qualifies instead of being noisy ******* about not being able to use them. But then again, Nebraska's entire football history and relevance were built on partial qualifies. I honestly don't get the public sympathy for Nebraska - their stated reasons for going to the Big 10 are the very things they were outright opposed to in the Big 12 (equal revenue sharing, BFN, etc). Nebraska is nothing more than a whiny hypocrite that somehow got the public to feel sorry for them.

As far as Colorado, they didn't leave for the Pac 10 to get away from Texas, they left to get into the Pac 10 before Texas brought BAYLOR with them. They were not trying to get away from Texas, they were trying to not be the school left in a crumbling conference.

I'm not saying that Texas is blameless, but your blatant and gross misinformation has led you to place the lion's share of the blame at the wrong set of feet. At least Texas has tried to hold this conference together - that's far more than Nebraska can say, which is openly praying for the demise of the Big 12 so their butt hurt feels better...

 

[3GenClone]

Boomer said that in the Pac 12 that they would have 1 to 2 games max that would start at 9 central

But how many teams from the West Coast would be asked to play at 11 AM Central (9 AM Pacific)? I can't see too many current PAC 12 coaches getting excited for playing 2 or 3 Conference games a season where you have to deal with time zone changes.

 

[Pseudonym]

Not sure if this has been posted

Dave Sittler: Switzer weighs in on Pac-12 move | Tulsa World

"I don't know where they're going," Switzer said Monday in a telephone interview. "But I think (OU & OSU) would be making a hell of a mistake to not go where Texas goes.

"What gives you the best chance to recruit in Texas? To compete against Texas."

OU and OSU weren't in the same league with the Longhorns when Switzer coached the Sooners. The Bedlam Brothers belonged to the Big Eight, while Texas was in the Southwest Conference.

"It was tougher for me and for all the schools in the Big Eight to recruit in Texas," Switzer said. "Every one of the schools in the Southwest Conference negatively recruited against us.

"Bob (Stoops) doesn't have that problem. It's easier to recruit when you're in the same conference with Texas."

 

[alarson]

Dude, UT and their greed is the entire reason this is all shaking out. It is also the root cause of UNL and CU leaving last year.

This wouldve been something for a year ago. If a year ago all the schools like OU, NU, TAMU had said to texas 'you do what you want, go indy, go pac, whatever, we're staying here and we ARE creating a conference network and equal revenue sharing with or without you', instead of joining up with them on their talks to move west, we possibly couldve held on to nebraska. We probably wouldve held on to TAMU. Texas may have still left, but i doubt it. They didnt want to leave all by themselves, itd be a disaster for travel.

Texas's greed undoubtedly plays a role, but the 10-11 other schools had it in their power to unite and tell UT where to go with that greed as well, and they didnt.

 

[jbhtexas]

Plus last year Nebraska made it very clear the reasons they wanted to leave. Now everybody else is more or less saying the same things.

Perhaps in your reality, but not in the reality in which the rest of us live...

 

[Incyte]

You have to believe fsu is hinting they are going to sec. I'm guessing wvu to acc which opens 4 spots for the big east. That could work out well assuming things stop there.

 

[Wesley]

CU has been flirting with the Pac 10 for 15+ years. I don't think it had a lot to do with Mizzou. They saw their window and decided now was the best time. They have been wanting the Pac 10 for a long time, and a reasonable case could be made that they fit in better with the Pac 10, than the B12, unlike most of these other expansion scenarios.

Before moving to Pac 12, they needed to have fixed their fotball team. Right now AF and Colorado State may be better. Lost in their first two games is not a good start. Looking like Jim "I frittered it all away" Walden or WF "Final Finish" Finney or Vince De "Beat Us" Francesco. Yeah, you can check those past ISU head coach records out:
Iowa State Cyclones football - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Note how they skipped the Walden writeup....note that Earle Bruce did better than Johnny Majors

Did you know we had one undefeated head coaching record? Ira Brownlie.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

Twisted by the Dark Side he is.

Uninformed - so uninformed.

I am going to take your quote out of context to make a point. (so no offense) I feel it is impossible to know the role of everyone in these negotiations as we do not have the text of the pertinent conversations. When Texas met with Nebraska TAM and probably now OU the results so far have all been the same. All have headed for the exits. Is that because Texas was arrogant and uncooperative or is it because the other schools were demanding unreasonable concessions. We just don't know. With Nebraska, we have a some idea of their demands but do not know how it was presented or how the big egos reacted.

Much of all of this will be for books and discussion for years to come.

 

[BigBake]

No, adding boise wouldnt be your center piece expansion move but I think you look at good football programs first.

The more schools in the top 25 the better for the conf. At the end of the season you want schools who are in bowl games.

Okay, given that Boise st just got spanked by NCAA I may avoid them.