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Stormin said:
IMO, I wouldn't want to go to the Pac-1x. Logistic nightmare. C-USA is not even an option as ISU would never settle for it. ISU would be in the Big East at minimum and the value of the Big East package would increase dramatically because of the vacuum created by a Big 12 Collapse.

ISU, and others just need to hold the line and sue the hell out of OU and OSU and aTm and Texas or anyone else who leaves the conference. Each of those schools paying $3 million or more to every conference team they left for 10 to 15 years. ISU would get $12 million or so annually from those 4 schools. A Commitment and agreement was made last April. It needs to be honored.

And it is pretty ridiculous that OU would be claiming that the instability of the Big 12 is their reason for leaving. The announcement by OU that they were considering leaving is what caused the new round of instability. Otherwise it was a foregone conclusion that the Big 12 was considering adding 1 to 3 teams. Interesting also that teams like OU, aTm, and Nebraska cite the revenue differences as a factor and say they are now want to be in conferences that share revenue equally. But those same schools were the ones that continually voted for unequal revenue sharing. Amazing now that they come to the conclusion that equal revenue sharing is now good when they have constantly opposed it before.
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I don't disagree with a lot of your sentiments. I absolutely agree that CUSA is only an option if everything else totally went to **** - and I am 100% certain the **** doesn't hit that fan.

Obviously I would rather the Big 12 holds together. However, short of talking about BYU and/or other schools joining conference, there just isn't much to speculate about. Not to mention the death of the Big 12 is a very real possibility at this point.

Now, assuming the Big 12's demise, while I think the Big East is an acceptable option for ISU, in no way, IMO, should it be ISU's number 1 option. If ISU were somehow able to hitch to OU's coattail and ride it to the Pac 1X, why shouldn't they? Most people are okay with joining the MWC as a worst case scenario. I'd argue that the logistics of the MWC are even worse than the Pac 1X because with Pac at least most of their schools are in or closer to major cities - much easier to get to. Most of the MWC schools are in smaller cities that would be much harder and cost mire to get to. Not to mention, for roughly the same geographical footprint, ISU would be making a hell of a lot more money in the Pac 1X than they would in the MWC.

Granted, I don't think the odds of getting into the Pac 1X are very good at all. I'm just saying that if ISU were holding offers from both the Big East and the Pac 1X, they clearly need to go west. Yes, both are BCS conferences. However, the Pac 1X will have stability going for it, while the Big East is just waiting for the B1G, SEC, and ACC all to go to 16. While I'm sure ISU would end up in the B1G or some incarnation of the ACC, if you can put the latter to rest permanently via the Pac 1X, do so.
 
Pseudonym said:
That is the dumbest thing I've ever read. And Baylor hasn't sued anybody.
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Yeah, I'd be extremely surprised if this was true. I feel like EVERY piece of news speculation since A&M's announced departure has just been throwing **** against the wall to see what sticks. So far not much has stuck...
 
jdoggivjc said:
Now, assuming the Big 12's demise, while I think the Big East is an acceptable option for ISU, in no way, IMO, should it be ISU's number 1 option. If ISU were somehow able to hitch to OU's coattail and ride it to the Pac 1X, why shouldn't they?
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Because, IMO, the travel logistics will become a nightmare, and eventually necessitate a withdrawl from the conference. Too much lost classroom time and other tolls taken on the student athletes, and too much unjustifiable travel expense.

Return trips east across two time-zones are killers. The only way I can see it working is if there are several midwest teams and the trips to the west coast are very limited for the midwest teams.

Isn't OU facing NCAA sanctions in several sports, including some major ones in MBB? Boren is probably trying to find an equal revenue sharing 3rd-teir home before those hit. OU's third tier rights might become rather worthless if MBB and other non-revenue sports get slammed with sanctions, some of which could keep them off of TV.
 
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The_Architect said:
College athletics is about to be forever ruined by greed. Nobody likes the idea of super conferences, nobody. Except of course all of the administrators obsessed with money.

**** this.
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College football was Saturday afternoon in Ames........all of this money hungry stuff is destroying a tradition that has been going on for 100+ years. I am sure the OU/Texas game is the same or even a better atmosphere than we had on saturday, but Bob Stoops would rather throw that aside for the option of going to the Pac-12??? What is wrong with this country.
 
jbhtexas said:
Because, IMO, the travel logistics will become a nightmare, and eventually necessitate a withdrawl from the conference. Too much lost classroom time and other tolls taken on the student athletes, and too much unjustifiable travel expense.

Return trips east across two time-zones are killers. The only way I can see it working is if there are several midwest teams and the trips to the west coast are very limited for the midwest teams.
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but then this raises the question why have limited trips to one area east or west... when you could have a midwest conference and schedule those teams in non con if you wanted...

This whole super confernce bull **** is ******* me off..... ISU clearly showed on saturday that they belong playing BCS football... Couple that with (hopfully) a win on friday and we would make a GREAT addition to ANY BCS conference.
 
00clone said:
That was a destiny's child song, right? Still get that stuck in my head at times. "I don't think you're ready"
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Ha, two very different entities. One was a pretty good hip hop group that used Harry Nilsson samples. The other is a voracious fame-monster who will destroy us all.

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erikbj said:
College football was Saturday afternoon in Ames........all of this money hungry stuff is destroying a tradition that has been going on for 100+ years. I am sure the OU/Texas game is the same or even a better atmosphere than we had on saturday, but Bob Stoops would rather throw that aside for the option of going to the Pac-12??? What is wrong with this country.
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Exactly like Mike and Mike said today, look at how the country united after 9/11 now look at today. GREED even the day after the 9/11 anniversary.
 
jbhtexas said:
Because, IMO, the travel logistics will become a nightmare, and eventually necessitate a withdrawl from the conference. Too much lost classroom time and other tolls taken on the student athletes, and too much unjustifiable travel expense.

Return trips east across two time-zones are killers. The only way I can see it working is if there are several midwest teams and the trips to the west coast are very limited for the midwest teams.

Isn't OU facing NCAA sanctions in several sports, including some major ones in MBB? Boren is probably trying to find an equal revenue sharing 3rd-teir home before those hit. OU's third tier rights might become rather worthless if MBB and other non-revenue sports get slammed with sanctions, some of which could keep them off of TV.
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Apparently you missed the rest of my post. I'm well aware of the geography argument. But, if we're willing to join the MWC as a worst-case scenario, which has roughly the same geographic footprint as the Pac 1X, why shouldn't we be willing to join the Pac 1X when the money from that conference would be far greater than either the MWC or Big East, and it would put to bed the idea of ISU being left out of a BCS conference permanently? The Big East can't offer us that as it's just waiting to be picked apart by several conferences as well, and there's no guarantee that ISU would be going to one of those.
 
digZ said:
Longhorn Network and Delusion

I found this to be a pretty good read. Scroll about halfway down to the heading "It all begins to fall apart..." It has a bit of Texas bias, but it brings up some good facts while ACTUALLY citing sources about this reallignment bs (something most "journalists" seem to have forgotten about).
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I didn't like this article at all; the authors UT bias makes everything they say questionable. First they blame the Huskers, then they claim that schools all over the country are doing what UT has done with the LHN, then finally they clobber TAM. To put it bluntly UT is totally innocent and the rest of the world is being unreasonable. Its the same UT's **** don't stink attitude that me and lots of others are totally sick of.
 
erikbj said:
College football was Saturday afternoon in Ames........all of this money hungry stuff is destroying a tradition that has been going on for 100+ years. I am sure the OU/Texas game is the same or even a better atmosphere than we had on saturday, but Bob Stoops would rather throw that aside for the option of going to the Pac-12??? What is wrong with this country.
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I'm pretty well convinced that this is a lot of posturing now for OU. They want their ego stroked as the second big player to Texas despite not having the same national brand strength. I think they are looking for some concessions on the LHN. I could be wrong but I think the PAC-12 stuff is just sabre-rattling. They have huge identity wrapped up in their football going way back and I don't think they like Texas getting an arguably over-bid deal from ESPN. OU has a Texas-sized ego and I think some of that was getting lost in the conversation.

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