Zeb Noland transferring
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I wish we had the "winner" button for for really bad posts because i'd use it on this steaming pile.
I think the reason being is that he sees that playing time is basically gone and I don't know if he can talk to other teams if he is on a team already. If he waits until semester break it because cramped. Some teams may know other kids leaving so a FCS may have a scholly available for him.
I'd guess that when any other coaches inquire about Zeb that CMC will give the undivided attention because CMC is built that way and he still wants to take care of his players now and into the future when they are out of football.
Ain't no petty in CMC...
Agreed, some understand that they aren't pro material but when they get a free ride at a D1, most kids will jump to have the chance to compete to play big team ball. If they get beat out, you can still say you played P5 football and nobody will ever ask if you ever actually played. Free college is a big deal, not many at D2 and under get that.
There's a realization that the NFL isn't happening and they love where they are and the guys they are around.
This is why I have so much respect for Mike Warren. I was actually going to write a post up about the indicators of what Matt Campbell has done to the culture here being Zeb Noland and Mike Warren and how they've handled themselves when they were put in really poor positions.
I don't care that much that Zeb quit mid-season. I just don't get it. I don't know how it would ever help him and there is an obvious downside there.
The takes are always just the end of the world.
Somebody mentioned this and it wasn’t really talked about, but could he have chosen to leave now because he was wanting to get in on spring practices with someone? If I understand the rules, no other team could talk with him while he was still on the team otherwise it would be tampering, so if he wanted to find a school and team to join for next semester, he would have to have left now to have any chance of doing that.
I believe this is correct. Leaving now would allow him to start up recruiting immediately.
Is Marial Shayok a quitter? How about Deonte Burton? McKay?
It seems pretty straight forward and simple to me. CMC has stated time and time again the importance of getting guys on campus in the Spring if at all possible. If Zeb has time to learn the system and playbook then that really allows him to compete for PT in Spring and Fall camp. What I just don't get is how this is so hard to understand.
As for Zeb. He is what? Maybe 20 years old, and wants to play during his time in college. Who can blame a kid for wanting that? He has been a good teammate. Anyone who wants to argue this can go back and watch to see who the first person was to congratulate Brock when he took over. It was his fellow QBs. And he didn't just stop supporting Brock either. The next week it was the same thing. We see young men say its about me and in similar situations want nothing to do with celebrating their teammate's success. And now some of us are beating up on him for choosing to chase playing time? Despite being in the corner of the kid who took his snaps? Some of you are just unreasonable. Zeb, thank you. Go for it big guy. And **** the haters.
Yeah, the season is over on the 24th or the 1st. I don't know of a second semester starting even close to that time so that reasoning doesn't hold a lot of water, especially when in a week he will have a good idea of where he's going.
I don't think it's all that unreasonable to wonder why he'd leave right now. He isn't getting a RS, he's not joining another program for 2+ months. I know you'd like to think there's deep research going on around his next choice that take months to sift through but that's not true either. It's great he was supportive while he was on the sidelines. I don't care that he's transferring and I don't really care that it's right now. It just makes zero sense to pass on celebrating a conference championship if he cares so much about the program and his teammates.
Thanks for helping me understand the reasons for the mid-season split. Seems to make sense. I’m not a Zeb hater...in fact, I really like what I’ve read about him and what he seems to be about. What he brought to the qb room will likely be missed. But I’m also big on loyalty. And despite how you choose to look at this, it is all about him. I hope he finds a good fit and is able to play out and enjoy his remaining eligibility.
How do you know he isn't taking his time to research this? I think you underestimate how much of these guys' time is taken during the season as a member of the team. If his goal to find a place he can compete to play, he has some work to do. Maybe he commits semi soon and starts learning the playbook so he can hit the ground running.
I don't know, but I am not going to question this kid's decision. He has served us well. I guess I am in the camp of empathizing with 18-22 year old kids making millions for our university and we act like dejected girlfriends when they leave. "Why didn't he wait until after prom to break up with me? We could have at least enjoyed that night!"
You reference an obvious downside in the original post I quoted, what might that downside be?
And I refuse to fault him for looking out for himself. He has carried himself with respect and dignity. He is not going out bashing ISU or its coaches. He was a good teammate while he was still on the team.
I guess I am in the camp of defending our student athletes in situations like this. He doesn't owe us anything. We have players making millions for our university for pennies on the dollar and a chance at their dream. I can't fault them if that chance at a dream doesn't pan out here and they decide to go elsewhere.
Furthermore, I think it is important that recognize and celebrate positive character when we see it. We don't see good sportsmanship and commradery in our world. He was good to us and his team. I don't think him chasing his dream changes any of that.
It’s too bad Zeb won’t be a part of the bowl game. He’s been an important piece the past two years and we have a shot to go to the best bowl game in ISU history.
We win a Big 12 Championship which he deserves to be a part of and now he's not. He's going to go into a competitive situation as well and he's not just going to be a presumed starter so if I'm a coach, I'm going to at least entertain that if he's a senior and isn't the guy he may just hang it up to avoid any sort of injury risk.
Like I've said a million times, I don't really care. If you need to leave now, that's fine. Zeb doesn't owe anyone anything. I just think I'd stick around and see if the team I've been a part of for 2.5 seasons plays for a B12 championship. That seems like it'd be fun.
They sure are. All it takes is one not happy coach to report another coach.
But, the NCAA actually did a great job (for once) by changing the rule where athletes no longer have to get a coach’s permission when wanting to transfer. Now they just announce it and the school is required within two days to put them in the transfer list.
Loyalty is a really loose word here. Think about when Park left, Zeb was second on the depth chart. He gets skipped over. When Kyle went down Zeb was used but ultimately went to second seat. The line play was awful for Noland. I know there is a lot to be debated on this point but Zeb's loyalty got him passed over multiple times instead of being allowed to work through the challenges and improve. You want this young man to be "loyal" and guess what he has been nothing but loyal. What really sucks here is the folks that are calling him a quitter etc. are probably the same people that were ******** about his play. That is NOT loyalty.