WWJD- What Will Jamie Do?

[cyclones500]

Given that a national championship capable team is already in place for the upcoming season, $ and location may be a less of a factor. Not many prospective coaches (at any school) get to step into a national championship capable team already in place in year 1.

Agree*. Those may be lower hurdles than ISU has been able to offer in previous coaching changes. It'd at least offset potential disadvantage of timing (it could've been more realistic to get a college coach to jump to ISU in late-March compared to late-May).

*I consider it more of "Final Four capable" team than national title, but that's another discussion; your basic point stands.

 

[cycloneworld]

I don't know what Jamie would do, but what he should do is

EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO KEEP HOIBERG

Open up that checkbook, time to pay Hoiberg what he is worth. I want at least a $4.5M salary with a stipulation he will always be a top 2 Big 12 paid coach.

Your new Johnny's Renovation will be completely worthless if no one comes to games due to a lack of Hoiball.

And then when Hoiberg doesn't perform like a Top 2 coach, you are going to complain about Pollard's terrible contract he gave Hoiberg.

I can't see any rational reasons, other than emotional attachment, why we should make Fred Hoiberg a Top 5 paid coach with his resume. I love the program's trajectory but no way should he make as much as Bill Self ($4.7m), or more than Tom Izzo ($4m), Sean Miller ($3.4), or Bo Ryan ($2.9).

Hoiberg was the 21st highest paid coach last year. He will move into the Top 15 in the coming years. He has ONE Sweet 16 appearance and ZERO regular season conference titles. Why should we pay him like he has Final Fours and National Titles? Maybe in 5-7 years, but definitely not now.

 

[CloniesForLife]

And then when Hoiberg doesn't perform like a Top 2 coach, you are going to complain about Pollard's terrible contract he gave Hoiberg.

I can't see any rational reasons, other than emotional attachment, why we should make Fred Hoiberg a Top 5 paid coach with his resume. I love the program's trajectory but no way should he make as much as Bill Self ($4.7m), or more than Tom Izzo ($4m), Sean Miller ($3.4), or Bo Ryan ($2.9).

Hoiberg was the 21st highest paid coach last year. He will move into the Top 15 in the coming years. He has ONE Sweet 16 appearance and ZERO regular season conference titles. Why should we pay him like he has Final Fours and National Titles? Maybe in 5-7 years, but definitely not now.

You're nailin it! Couldn't agree more. Love Fred but he is getting paid fairly. If he stays a few years and gets a couple final four appearances then maybe a raise. Doesn't he have a lot of bonuses also in his contract?

 

[Morrowind]

And then when Hoiberg doesn't perform like a Top 2 coach, you are going to complain about Pollard's terrible contract he gave Hoiberg.

I can't see any rational reasons, other than emotional attachment, why we should make Fred Hoiberg a Top 5 paid coach with his resume. I love the program's trajectory but no way should he make as much as Bill Self ($4.7m), or more than Tom Izzo ($4m), Sean Miller ($3.4), or Bo Ryan ($2.9).

Hoiberg was the 21st highest paid coach last year. He will move into the Top 15 in the coming years. He has ONE Sweet 16 appearance and ZERO regular season conference titles. Why should we pay him like he has Final Fours and National Titles? Maybe in 5-7 years, but definitely not now.

But I also can't think of any rational reasons why he would rank 7 out of 10 on the pay scale of big 12 coaches.

 

[Jeremy]

But I also can't think of any rational reasons why he would rank 7 out of 10 on the pay scale of big 12 coaches.

What is the largest percentage of pay increase you've received at the same company as a raise or performance adjustment? 5%? 10%? 20%? You don't go from his initial starting pay to Top 10 in the country overnight, you progressively increment as performance and market dictate.

I have no problem with Fred making $3-4mil per year because I think he's worth it, but if it's not about the pay, you don't tie your hands behind your back on other needs (assistant pay, length of contract, facilities, etc) by dumping all your budget in a single large salary bump. Add in the fact that Ames, Iowa is a relatively cheap place to live and you have your answer.

 

[greatshu]

And then when Hoiberg doesn't perform like a Top 2 coach, you are going to complain about Pollard's terrible contract he gave Hoiberg.

I can't see any rational reasons, other than emotional attachment, why we should make Fred Hoiberg a Top 5 paid coach with his resume. I love the program's trajectory but no way should he make as much as Bill Self ($4.7m), or more than Tom Izzo ($4m), Sean Miller ($3.4), or Bo Ryan ($2.9).

Hoiberg was the 21st highest paid coach last year. He will move into the Top 15 in the coming years. He has ONE Sweet 16 appearance and ZERO regular season conference titles. Why should we pay him like he has Final Fours and National Titles? Maybe in 5-7 years, but definitely not now.

I think he should be paid 3 and half million a year at least. He's a perfect coach for us and he's someone we cannot lose. I don't think many of us (alumni) care if we have to contribute more towards Fred's salary.

 

[cycloneworld]

But I also can't think of any rational reasons why he would rank 7 out of 10 on the pay scale of big 12 coaches.

I can.

Bill Self
Bob Huggins
Lon Kruger
Rick Barnes
Scott Drew
Travis Ford (the outlier)
Fred Hoiberg

Outside of Travis Ford (who Fred will pass in salary within 2 years), which of those coaches does Fred Hoiberg have a better resume?

 

[CycloneErik]

I think he should be paid 3 and half million a year at least. He's a perfect coach for us and he's someone we cannot lose. I don't think many of us (alumni) care if we have to contribute more towards Fred's salary.

If this were about money, Jamie could announce a Kickstarter/capital campaign kind of thing, and Cyclone fans would shell out enough for $5 milliion a year. We're notoriously cheap, but also addicted to Fred.

That said, I don't think it's about money. Just offering a different way to go about things.

 

[mdk2isu]

I can.

Bill Self
Bob Huggins
Lon Kruger
Shaka Smart
Scott Drew
Travis Ford (the outlier)
Fred Hoiberg

Outside of Travis Ford (who Fred will pass in salary within 2 years), which of those coaches does Fred Hoiberg have a better resume?

FIFY

 

[jpete24]

Jamie-
We got beat fair and square.....pay that man his money.

 

[LutherBlue]

What is the largest percentage of pay increase you've received at the same company as a raise or performance adjustment? 5%? 10%? 20%? You don't go from his initial starting pay to Top 10 in the country overnight, you progressively increment as performance and market dictate.

I have no problem with Fred making $3-4mil per year because I think he's worth it, but if it's not about the pay, you don't tie your hands behind your back on other needs (assistant pay, length of contract, facilities, etc) by dumping all your budget in a single large salary bump. Add in the fact that Ames, Iowa is a relatively cheap place to live and you have your answer.

There's a reason it's a cheap place to live.

ISU has to pay a premium to get the best talent. The fact that Fred has NBA opportunities indicates how highly he's regarded.

 

[Cycsk]

Who's going to leave? Not George. Not Naz. Monte might but can't believe he would sit a year when he could potentially turn pro. Nader isn't going anywhere - has ready transferred so no redshirt. Hallice Cook burned his redshirt so he would lose a year. Really don't see mass exodus.

Also because these guys seem to want to be here and play as a team next year.

 

[CyRann22]

TJ is likely to be a Head Coach someday. And probably a pretty good one. The guy can recruit.

And as far as his coaching resume is concerned, it is actually a much better resume than Fred had when Fred was given the ISU Head Coaching job with absolutely ZERO coaching experience.

I would like to see ISU get a coach like Archie Miller. At the same time, I am not completely opposed to TJ Otzelberger. There is a possibility of some continuity and probably continuing in the same style of up tempo basketball. Much worse candidates out there than TJ Otzelberger. And it is quite possible he could even be the best choice for ISU.

Agreed. For all the people saying that our only hope is landing a FH 2.0, why wouldn't we want the guy who has learned from FH, knows the program, and was picked by FH...

I think the biggest x-factor will be TJ proving that Hoiball can still exist without Hoiberg. Is there another coach better suited to attempt that?

 

[Morrowind]

I can.

Bill Self
Bob Huggins
Lon Kruger
Rick Barnes
Scott Drew
Travis Ford (the outlier)
Fred Hoiberg

Outside of Travis Ford (who Fred will pass in salary within 2 years), which of those coaches does Fred Hoiberg have a better resume?

Scott Drew kek

 

[BoxsterCy]

Agreed. IMO, JP caught lightning in a bottle with Hoiberg and his lack of college experience. Now we just assume we can hire any ex-cyclone with some NBA experience to keep the status quo. I think it would be a big mistake. Hornacek would be a disaster in my opinion. No reason we can't land a proven head coach at ISU.

That is pretty hard to argue with. I don't get the Hornacek buzz at all. We already went way high risk with Hoiberg and it might be time for something way less risky. I am getting more and more in line with those who think TJ is the guy. If not it needs to be a proven coach that can recruit Big 12 level players. If it is not TJ than it needs to be a total no-brainer homerun hire that will get people to stand up and notice.

 

[cycloneworld]

That is pretty hard to argue with. I don't get the Hornacek buzz at all. We already went way high risk with Hoiberg and it might be time for something way less risky. I am getting more and more in line with those who think TJ is the guy. If not it needs to be a proven coach that can recruit Big 12 level players. If it is not TJ than it needs to be a total no-brainer homerun hire that will get people to stand up and notice.

You think stealing a sitting NBA coach to coach to come to Iowa State is high risk? And you'd rather go with a young assistant coach with no head coaching experience? That makes no sense to me.

Hiring an NBA coach is a no-brainer to me.

 

[Wesley]

I would be cautiously excited to see what TJ could do.

I would rather pay Fred bigger bucks to have a great bball team than to stash millions to buy out Paul.

28 wins in bball >>4-5 wins in fball at this point.

 

[cyclonedave25]

That is pretty hard to argue with. I don't get the Hornacek buzz at all. We already went way high risk with Hoiberg and it might be time for something way less risky. I am getting more and more in line with those who think TJ is the guy. If not it needs to be a proven coach that can recruit Big 12 level players. If it is not TJ than it needs to be a total no-brainer homerun hire that will get people to stand up and notice.

A total no brainer hire would be Hornacek and having TJ stay on staff as a recruiter would be as good as it gets, assuming Fred leaves.

 

[Wesley]

Seems pretty obvious that TJ is probably going to get handed the job, and those in the know are doing their best to sell us on this move.

It's nothing against TJ, but his resume isn't what you'd want to replace Hoiberg. I'm sure he's a great guy and obviously a good recruiter and basketball mind, but it's hard selling me on the idea that he's ready to be the head guy here.

The UNI coach is looking better the more I read above.

 

[Wesley]

How so?

Because he is unproven and it may not work out in the end. It is a crap shoot at this point.