I get the whole Bulls thing (because it is a proven sexy team) but I just can't wrap my mind about leaving what you have here for the Timberwolves (even with a #1 pick).
WWJD- What Will Jamie Do?
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CycloneErik
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TJ is likely to be a Head Coach someday. And probably a pretty good one. The guy can recruit.
And as far as his coaching resume is concerned, it is actually a much better resume than Fred had when Fred was given the ISU Head Coaching job with absolutely ZERO coaching experience.
I would like to see ISU get a coach like Archie Miller. At the same time, I am not completely opposed to TJ Otzelberger. There is a possibility of some continuity and probably continuing in the same style of up tempo basketball. Much worse candidates out there than TJ Otzelberger. And it is quite possible he could even be the best choice for ISU.
For starters, I believe he has mentioned how his family loved the time living in the Twin Cities...
Johnny Orr had a winning Div 1 record before he came to ISU. Same for Floyd, LE, Morgan and McDermott. Fred had 10 years in the NBA plus front office experience.
We have just had 4 consecutive teams in the NCAA tournament and have $2.5M coaching salary.
After all this, we are now back to looking at hiring an assistant coach if Hoiberg leaves. When did we become Drake.
We have just had 4 consecutive teams in the NCAA tournament and have $2.5M coaching salary.
After all this, we are now back to looking at hiring an assistant coach if Hoiberg leaves. When did we become Drake.
That might be the case for programs like Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, etc... because they will simply put more talent on the floor then most teams can compete with. For most of the other programs out there they better have a coach in place that has the X's and O's ability to outwit their opponents or they are going to be nothing more then average.
The last time ISU had a coach that went with the 80% recruiting 20% coaching philosophy we had Wayne Morgan and watching his teams play street ball while he took a nap on the bench was brutal.
As AD he gets pretty much a big A for the funds, budget and money management part of the job. He gets a C on coach hiring/retention because of Fred and because he has been able so far to keep Christy Johnson. Fennelly is a no credit since he was never going anywhere ever.
If Fred had stayed 10 years or so and got us a Final Four than JP would have moved to an A on coach hiring since none of the others would even matter. But Fred isn't staying and we aren't going to any Final Four because we can't have nice things. Or so it is written, somewhere.
Seen as a Homerun Hire just a couple of years ago. And now this. Obviously he should have left when he had a chance at other jobs.
IMO, Fred is wise to get out now. Take the money and get out of here. Fans are fickle. Good Luck Fred. You have learned your lessons well.
No thank you on Archie Miller. Dayton was 150th in offense last year averaging 68 ppg. We need to continue to set ourselves apart from the rest of the landscape of college basketball and continue the NBA style offense IMO. I don't want to go back to the Floyd/Larry era of scoring 60 points a game. I'd rather not look like UNI..
Also, Fred had 10 years NBA experience. TJ played lower level D3 basketball and has never been asked to be an X's O's type of coach, rather just recruit. I don't want the coach of this year team, with this much talent learning on the job. Could cost us some games.
Morgan's first two seasons were pretty fun, but nowhere near the level we expect now, and it certainly wasn't going to last.
Personally, I'm coming to terms with the fact that Fred is gone. Might as well let him go when it's best for HIS career because we have a decent coach and a GREAT list of players this year. We need to stop the bleeding in recruiting every year when all the other coaches have to say is "but will Fred be there for you?" and the recruits turn us down, legitimately. All it takes is a look at our scholarship chart to see this is an issue beyond this year.
Hire TJ, or hire someone else that can recruit, and is a decent coach. Wish Fred well and enjoy the time we had with him.
Hire TJ, or hire someone else that can recruit, and is a decent coach. Wish Fred well and enjoy the time we had with him.
Maybe Otz is the next Ben Jacobsen. Maybe Otz is the next Brad Stevens. Both assistants who were hired from within after the head coach left.
Maybe Otz is the next Ben Jacobsen. Maybe Otz is the next Brad Stevens. Both assistants who were hired from within after the head coach left. And Archie Miller was an assistant before being hired as HC of Dayton.
I would guess that JP has already hashed this out with Fred and offered to pay him more. Fred said it's not about money.
I've heard Fred doesn't want to coach forever which makes sense due to his health. So if he only wants to coach 10 more years MAX... when is a good time to go to NBA? It makes sense on his part to get his NBA coaching goal done and then ride off into the sunset. Just sucks for all of us
I've heard Fred doesn't want to coach forever which makes sense due to his health. So if he only wants to coach 10 more years MAX... when is a good time to go to NBA? It makes sense on his part to get his NBA coaching goal done and then ride off into the sunset. Just sucks for all of us
While they are good coaches and have had success, I sure hope I don't have to watch that brand of basketball. I've had season tickets for a long time but watching those games at Hilton while McD was our coach was tough.
I agree with these guys. Gameday coaching at most levels is tremendously overrated. It's all about who has the horses and who doesn't. You can prowl the sidelines like a maniac, screaming and yelling and flailing your arms, but the players are going to play the game. I'm cautiously optimistic at what Otz can do as a head coach and if he is the choice I will welcome him with open arms.
Yep. We are being sold the tj thing right now. And I know that Many that run this site are friends with him and think he can be an equal to Fred. But I wish they'd realize that by billing him as the best option, they are really setting him up for trouble.