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Would you fire Paul Rhoads?

Which option do you most agree with

  • Paul Rhoads should be fired ASAP.

    Votes: 49 8.5%

  • Paul Rhoads should be fired at the end of the season, barring a miraculous turnaround.

    Votes: 88 15.3%

  • Paul Rhoads should get 2015 as a "make or break" season and be on the hot seat going into it.

    Votes: 301 52.3%

  • Paul Rhoads should not be on the hot seat and should remain head coach for at least two more seasons

    Votes: 137 23.8%
  • Total voters
    575
chuckd4735 said:
I get what youre saying, and I agree to a point. However, I don't think having a minimum expectation of winning 2 of the non-con games each season, and 3 conference games is too much.
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May not seem like it. But just when has that ever been done on a consistent basis in the history of Iowa State football?

I get the whole "winning" attitude, and should always strive for better, etc ******** arguments the haters make.

But I'm pretty sure we've had lots of coaches with "winning" attitudes in the past, guys that have been successful, guys that knew a lot about the game and were terrific coaches before and after they were here.

See it's funny when you look at the reality of this place, and the history that has led us to this point. You start to think maybe it isn't the coaches.

Other than a brief window, when remarkably everyone got bad at the same time, and mac coached us out of division titles, this is where we have been. Unfortunately we are a coat tail school, with no cache of our own, and have to depend on ut OU and others for our survival. 04-05 could have been transformational, we didn't get it done.

So unless you can tell me that Iowa State will start making a big boy effort and start making the real genuine commitment necessary to play at the level you and the rest speak of like it as easy as flipping the switch, I'm still going to rely on facts and history as to see why things are the way there are.
 
stobb3s said:
Pretty much this whole season, I've been in the "2015 make or break year" boat, like most people. However, if we lose our last 4 and end up winless in the Big 12, the argument that he shouldn't have a chance at another season starts to sound a little less crazy.

I don't know how many of you were there on Saturday, but you could just feel the apathy in the air. It was palpable. The Cyclone Power chants were incredibly weak. People barely even cheered when Sam ran for that touchdown. This is not the electric Jack Trice Stadium atmosphere that I know and love. People are starting to lose their patience, and are becoming sick of the pathetic product Rhoads is putting out on the field. I fear that what we saw last Saturday could become the norm for future seasons if something isn't changed.

I'm very curious as to what attendance will look like next year with increased ticket prices, and increased capacity. I wonder how many people are going to continue to show up. I think we'd be lucky to fill the stadium to 75% against teams other than UNI or Iowa, unless we have a miraculous turnaround. Rhoads' buyout is huge but so is the possible loss in revenue by keeping him.

I'm not gonna pretend like I know all the answers. I just hope JP can look at all of our options and make the right decision for the future of the program.
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I tweeted this same thing to Randy Peterson in response to his "minority" wanting Paul Rhoads fired. That was the most underwhelming performance this fanbase has seen in a long time and you could just hear wind fall out of the sails. When I left at halftime, the walk out was worth recording. I haven't heard that much disdain for a coach since maybe pre McCarney. People have lost hope. Fire Rhoads or not, but goodness that stadium is going to be pretty lonely next year.
 
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Maybe I'll be able to get in free next year like i heard happened in the 70s...
 
cylove said:
May not seem like it. But just when has that ever been done on a consistent basis in the history of Iowa State football?

I get the whole "winning" attitude, and should always strive for better, etc ******** arguments the haters make.

But I'm pretty sure we've had lots of coaches with "winning" attitudes in the past, guys that have been successful, guys that knew a lot about the game and were terrific coaches before and after they were here.

See it's funny when you look at the reality of this place, and the history that has led us to this point. You start to think maybe it isn't the coaches.

Other than a brief window, when remarkably everyone got bad at the same time, and mac coached us out of division titles, this is where we have been. Unfortunately we are a coat tail school, with no cache of our own, and have to depend on ut OU and others for our survival. 04-05 could have been transformational, we didn't get it done.

So unless you can tell me that Iowa State will start making a big boy effort and start making the real genuine commitment necessary to play at the level you and the rest speak of like it as easy as flipping the switch, I'm still going to rely on facts and history as to see why things are the way there are.
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I don't care about history. An expectation that you win 67% of your non-con games and 33% of your conference games is not too much to ask. Is it hard to win at ISU, sure. However, winning only 2-4 games per season is unacceptable.
 
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chuckd4735 said:
I don't care about history. An expectation that you win 67% of your non-con games and 33% of your conference games is not too much to ask. Is it hard to win at ISU, sure. However, winning only 2-4 games per season is unacceptable.
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But but but, Iowa State has no history. Thats unreasonable....:jimlad:
 
I think he addressed one of the bigger issues with the firing of Mess. I think Mangino will be a great hire, but it will take 2-3 years at least to see the payoff. Hopefully Mangino will stick around that long.

I think he gets a couple more years, but next year better be 6-6. If Pollard wants to keep Rhoads, he should buy out the trip to Toledo and find a cupcake replacement. We absolutely need to go 3-0 non-conference and losing on the road to a MAC team would be devastating for the season.

And I will be highly disappointed and may change my mind if we have another off-season of player defections and player dismissals. He needs to get this program to buy into his plan.
 
chuckd4735 said:
I don't care about history. An expectation that you win 67% of your non-con games and 33% of your conference games is not too much to ask. Is it hard to win at ISU, sure. However, winning only 2-4 games per season is unacceptable.
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Then you're willing to pay for that to happen then, right?
 
vortex said:
Do you really think ISU would win that many more games playing in the B1G? Maybe a game here or there but they would not be contending for titles as some have inferred. Nebraska has yet to win a title...the year they made the title game they had 70 points hung on em. If it makes you feel better to ignore reality, so be it.
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Yes. Illinois? Purdue? Northwestern? Indiana? Minnesota (usually)? Rutgers/Maryland? Already beat Iowa.

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mad-ch...cle_a33a3bae-636c-11e4-9404-0017a43b2370.html
 
I wonder how many recruits search through the record books of a school and say, I'm not going here because of their history? I could throw out several schools where that theory is false. All about the coach IMO. Rhoads never turned the corner with better players after a monumental upset in 2011. And injuries are an excuse. I remember several years back when we had Patrick Neal at DT against UNI. Kid had a motor like crazy but was way undersized.
 
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UNIGuy4Cy said:
I wonder how many recruits search through the record books of a school and say, I'm not going here because of their history? I could throw out several schools where that theory is false. All about the coach IMO. Rhoads never turned the corner with better players after a monumental upset in 2011. And injuries are an excuse. I remember several years back when we had John Neal at DT against UNI. Kid had a motor like crazy but was way undersized.
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Patrick Neal?
 
chuckd4735 said:
Paying for what?
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To make this program what people seem to feel is reasonable, yet has never happened here. To properly fund a D 1 P5 college football program.

Not issuing bonds against future tv money to do upgrades, but to actually raise the money in donations like the vast majority of our "peers" do. And don't forget it will take extra to make up for all of the years of under funding.
 
cylove said:
To make this program what people seem to feel is reasonable, yet has never happened here. To properly fund a D 1 P5 college football program.

Not issuing bonds against future tv money to do upgrades, but to actually raise the money in donations like the vast majority of our "peers" do. And don't forget it will take extra to make up for all of the years of under funding.
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Im not asking for 8-9 wins per season. What I am saying is its not unreasonable, nor is it outside of ISU's football budget. ISU is most definitely in a position where they can expect a bowl game every season, and can hope for that 7-8 wins season every 5-10 years or so, while taking a 4-5 win season every 5-10 years or so.

I think CPR can meet these expectations, but what you cant allow to happen is a pattern of 3-4 wins seasons. That's why I am willing to give him 1 more year to turn this ship, because I'm completely confident that he can do it.
 
CycloneWarning said:
I think he addressed one of the bigger issues with the firing of Mess. I think Mangino will be a great hire, but it will take 2-3 years at least to see the payoff. Hopefully Mangino will stick around that long.

I think he gets a couple more years, but next year better be 6-6. If Pollard wants to keep Rhoads, he should buy out the trip to Toledo and find a cupcake replacement. We absolutely need to go 3-0 non-conference and losing on the road to a MAC team would be devastating for the season.

And I will be highly disappointed and may change my mind if we have another off-season of player defections and player dismissals. He needs to get this program to buy into his plan.
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THIS. It's gonna cost you to buy that game out but adding an Idaho, EMU, Troy, etc would be a really smart move and you probably break even by adding another home game. Going to a MAC school and losing next year could kill the season, beating a terrible team at home would be great move for JP to keep fans and donors happy especially after they just ponied up all that money to bowl in SEZ.
 
Question for all of you, because I've asked myself and still don't know the answer: Say we lose to Kansas this week (I don't think we will, but bear with me), can Rhoads keep his job? Not asking if he will, because I'm 100% sure Paul Rhoads will be Iowa State's coach heading into the 2015 season. I'm asking: Is that a fireable offense in your mind?
 
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