Will the BIG10 Reverse Their Decision?

[flycy]

Arrogant people in power rarely respond to reason to reverse course. We'll see.

 

[flycy]

They may have cherry picked some 'experts' but they are not going in line with the wide majority of medical opinion. Especially with regards to the presence of fans. Theyve also been repeating some outright garbage, such as the idea that somehow players are safer playing football than not, which is absurd, and really calls into question the advice theyre being given.

Hell, look at JP and his childishness after the county health board implored no fans, and he ran to twitter to post a picture of the stadium and "can't wait to have all the fans here". Lost a ton of respect for him with that move.

Show me one peer reviewed study showing outdoor spread of Covid 19. I'll wait. You are really good at cherry picking yourself.

 

[Statefan10]

 

[kcbob79clone]

Show me one peer reviewed study showing outdoor spread of Covid 19. I'll wait. You are really good at cherry picking yourself.

Don't poke the bear, take it to the cave

 

[RustShack]

It is insane how diverse this thing is. Some (a small few and usually with underlying health conditions seemingly) suffer immensely and have their quality of life impeded on tremendously like your friend. Others (the majority seemingly) suffer cold or flu like symptoms at worse, or are entirely asymptomatic. I don't know if some people are lying or getting misdiagnosed, or if rona just truly is that unpredictable. Somewhere in the middle are those like CW and the female student at Iowa who report loss of smell, or in her case, a headache and slight fever which caused a positive test, but was otherwise fine. It's just all over the board

Might be outdated/wrong information, but last I “knew” it was how exposed you were. The deeper in the lungs it gets the worse it is.

 

[simply1]

Don't poke the bear, take it to the cave

Peer reviewed studies are a cave thing? Good grief.

 

[cycloneG]

Don't poke the bear, take it to the cave

I wouldn't classify a scientific study as political.

 

[VeloClone]

Let's go Peay! Let's go Peay!

 

[flycy]

The idea that you don't need to be tested if you have been exposed but don't have symptoms seems questionable given the need to contact trace. Seems more like a 'reduce testing to reduce cases' move.

I don't understand this either, but might have to do with all the studies that suggest asymptomatic people aren't significant spreaders. Maybe the CDC has concluded this is the case. At least for this week.

 

[madguy30]

I don't understand this either, but might have to do with all the studies that suggest asymptomatic people aren't significant spreaders. Maybe the CDC has concluded this is the case. At least for this week.

Link?

Anything I'm finding is it's still not confirmed.

And the CDC at the same time says that it can spread with no symptoms.

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Bottom of the page:

"It is important to realize that you can be infected and spread the virus but feel well and have no symptoms."

 

[Cyclad]

Link?

Anything I'm finding is it's still not confirmed.

And the CDC at the same time says that it can spread with no symptoms.

Healthcare Workers

COVID-19 guidance, tools, and resources for healthcare workers.

www.cdc.gov

Bottom of the page:

"It is important to realize that you can be infected and spread the virus but feel well and have no symptoms."

This is consistent with everything I have read.

 

[everyyard]

A friend's dad passed away this week after a long nursing home stay. Cause of the death- COVID. He was 97.

you guys are arguing about something that you don’t understand. Old age CANNOT be listed as the cause of death. Neither can cardiac arrest, or fatal arrhythmia. All these are too generic and the computer system immediately rejects them. Sometimes when someone just finds a dead 90 year old in bed you just have to guess. Really! You aren’t gonna autopsy 90 year olds unless foul play is suspected or the family is wasting money paying for one. A 97 year old that dies with a positive Covid test is gonna be listed as Covid, just like they’d be listed as Influenza if that test was positive. Wouldn’t matter if he was 117. Same with someone with terminal cancer. If they are on hospice for the cancer and get influenza and die then influenza gets listed on their death certificate. It might be influenza as a result of “blank” cancer but it’s gonna be listed. Same for Covid. You can hate the system but THAT is the system. There isn’t some grand doctor conspiracy filling out death certificates.

 

[BCClone]

you guys are arguing about something that you don’t understand. Old age CANNOT be listed as the cause of death. Neither can cardiac arrest, or fatal arrhythmia. All these are too generic and the computer system immediately rejects them. Sometimes when someone just finds a dead 90 year old in bed you just have to guess. Really! You aren’t gonna autopsy 90 year olds unless foul play is suspected or the family is wasting money paying for one. A 97 year old that does with a positive Covid test is gonna be listed as Covid, just like they’d be listed as Influenza if that test was positive. Wouldn’t matter if he was 117. Same with someone withterminal cancer. If they are on hospice for the cancer and get influenza and die then influenza gets listed on their death certificate. It might be influenza as a result of “blank” cancer but it’s gonna be listed. Same for Covid. You can hate the system but THAT is the system. There isn’t some grand doctor conspiracy filling out death certificates.

when did the cardiac arrest get stopped for a listing. That is the words on my dads death certificate in 1998. I had to dig it out at moms death in October to prove his death for a cooperative dividend so I saw it just recently again.

 

[everyyard]

The idea that you don't need to be tested if you have been exposed but don't have symptoms seems questionable given the need to contact trace. Seems more like a 'reduce testing to reduce cases' move.

Biggest reason is people think if exposed and are asymptomatic and get a negative test they don’t have it. But they could and often do and can continue to spread it. A negative test DOES NOT change requirement to quarantine for 14 days if you don’t have symptoms. If they just stayed home for 14 days and only tested with symptoms it might decrease asymptomatic spread.

 

[everyyard]

when did the cardiac arrest get stopped for a listing. That is the words on my dads death certificate in 1998. I had to dig it out at moms death in October to prove his death for a cooperative dividend so I saw it just recently again.

myocardial infarction will go through. Cardiac arrest won’t. Obviously those are not the same (although result might be the same) and not exchangeable. Wasn’t computerized in 1998 so who knows? I mean, everybody dies of cardiac arrest.

 

[simply1]

myocardial infarction will go through. Cardiac arrest won’t. Obviously those are not the same (although result might be the same) and not exchangeable. Wasn’t computerized in 1998 so who knows? I mean, everybody dies of cardiac arrest.

Aha, now THIS has the makings of a great starter conspiracy factoid.

But is it really cardiac arrest that everyone dies of, or lack of oxygen to the brain.

 

[NorthCyd]

Aha, now THIS has the makings of a great starter conspiracy factoid.

But is it really cardiac arrest that everyone dies of, or lack of oxygen to the brain.

I mean, if you consider death to be the cessation of all biological function in an organism than there are organs and cells that continue to function long after the brain and heart stop.

 

[everyyard]

Aha, now THIS has the makings of a great starter conspiracy factoid.

But is it really cardiac arrest that everyone dies of, or lack of oxygen to the brain.

Or fatal arrhythmia? Everyone’s last rhythm is asystole. They won’t take that either. Not everyone’s dies of lack of oxygen to the brain. They could be brain dead but if their heart and lungs are going they aren’t dead.

 

[madguy30]

Biggest reason is people think if exposed and are asymptomatic and get a negative test they don’t have it. But they could and often do and can continue to spread it. A negative test DOES NOT change requirement to quarantine for 14 days if you don’t have symptoms. If they just stayed home for 14 days and only tested with symptoms it might decrease asymptomatic spread.

I think what's going to happen though is people are going to assume no symptoms, no sickness and spread it anyways...and I'd imagine businesses etc. will ease up on quarantining.

It's just more weird messaging...but considering how it's still spreading it's not like people have been adhering to the guidelines as it is.

 

[BCClone]

I think what's going to happen though is people are going to assume no symptoms, no sickness and spread it anyways...and I'd imagine businesses etc. will ease up on quarantining.

It's just more weird messaging...but considering how it's still spreading it's not like people have been adhering to the guidelines as it is.

Not necessarily. My nephew caught it and my sister and BIL are quarantined with him. They are more upset because they forced him to be home for ten days and her and my BIL for 14 with no symptoms or anything.