Will the BIG10 Reverse Their Decision?

[Aclone]

Except that's exactly what you said.

Anyone who is taking erring on the side of caution in the face of uncertainty but grave potential harm is "quitting", "giving up" and "hiding".

Yeah, that kind of dumbass logic is why we are here right now.

No, it’s not what I said.

I will repeat. Do not put words in my mouth.

Making a decision based on a lack of information, running away, is not “fighting“ anything. It’s just hiding in a hole and pulling a roof over your head and humming to yourself and hoping the problem goes away.

Meanwhile, all of those kids they’re supposedly worried about are now in uncontrolled, unsupervised environments. Please feel free to tell me every single one of those players will have the same support systems in place that our players do.

Talk about “stupid logic”. Major fail on your part.

 

[HFCS]

Except that's exactly what you said.

Anyone who is taking erring on the side of caution in the face of uncertainty but grave potential harm is "quitting", "giving up" and "hiding".

Yeah, that kind of dumbass logic is why we are here right now.

It's quite a stretch to bring bigotry into it.

Somebody's triggered.

 

[alarson]

No, it’s not what I said.

I will repeat. Do not put words in my mouth.

Making a decision based on a lack of information, running away, is not “fighting“ anything. It’s just hiding in a hole and pulling a roof over your head and humming to yourself and hoping the problem goes away.

Meanwhile, all of those kids they’re supposedly worried about are now in uncontrolled, unsupervised environments. Please feel free to tell me every single one of those players will have the same support systems in place that our players do.

Talk about “stupid logic”. Major fail on your part.

Bold of you to say its not what you said and then to reiterate that its exactly what you ******* said.

Calling everyone who errs on the side of caution due to substantial, known health risks "hiding in a hole", makes you a piece of ****. Get some perspective. You will survive without kids throwing a ball around for a year.

And the idea that they are somehow less safe without football is just ******* asinine. The risk of football only adds to their risk.

 

[HFCS]

Making a decision based on a lack of information, running away, is not “fighting“ anything.

I agree.

We got into this mess because people in the highest positions of leadership ran away, called it a hoax, lied it was contained and said it would just suddenly go away with warm weather. It was the absolute height of "lack of information" in making stupid leadership choices.

Scientists and health experts are not "quitters". The people I work with in other countries that basically beat this thing are not "quitters". They were smarter than us, more ready to sacrifice than us, and thought more about others than we did. A great side effect is they now have much more personal and economic freedom than we do.

It's too bad we can't have football (and countless other things) because our country forgot what real freedom is and replaced it with "lack of responsibility".

 

[Aclone]

Not really. The basics of this were known quite a long time ago, and if anything things have only gotten worse in the assessment as we have gained more knowledge of health issues for those who 'recover'. Its why a lot of us made peace with no football a long time ago as well. Months ago they were able to say 'if the situation is X, the result would be Y'. Now, the situation is X (or worse), but those leaders in the big12\SEC are now inconsistent with their own words because it financially suits them to, while simultaneously criticizing the big 10\p12 for doing those exact things most agreed would be the result.

Since you’re determined to be obtuse, please tell me. Did Big 12 coaches know “months ago” that they would be able to maintain a bubble around the players?

Or is it now demonstrated to be possible?

Is it now demonstrated to be a simple fact that the risk is minimal for heathy, fit 18-22 year olds? (The answer for this one is also “yes“, by the way, so stop being uninformed).

Remind me again. How many of those facts were available “months ago”? (Hint: the answer is “none”)

Lastly, should the players themselves or (should they not) be allowed input as to whether they are willing to take that risk?

I’m pretty sure you’re faring poorly, so you might want to stop and think for a moment—and not just determine everything by your predetermined motion that “it’s only for the money”.

 

[Aclone]

Bold of you to say its not what you said and then to reiterate that its exactly what you ******* said.

Calling everyone who errs on the side of caution due to substantial, known health risks "hiding in a hole", makes you a piece of ****. Get some perspective. You will survive without kids throwing a ball around for a year.

And the idea that they are somehow less safe without football is just ******* asinine. The risk of football only adds to their risk.

Are you allergic to facts? You’re certainly making it look that way.

Try paying attention for a change. Look more deeply than superficial information. You sound exactly like my friend who gets all his info from online articles and Facebook memes—and never bothers to look any further.

And stop name calling. That’s childish at best.

Good night.

 

[alarson]

Since you’re determined to be obtuse, please tell me. Did Big 12 coaches know “months ago” that they would be able to maintain a bubble around the players

Or is it now demonstrated to be possible?

Anyone who thinks this is living in fantasy-land. Bubbling up a large group of college students isnt happening. It hasnt even worked for smaller groups of guys engaging in much less close contact in MLB, where they are being paid an amount that can justify a level of bubble that can never happen for a student-athlete.

Is it now demonstrated to be a simple fact that the risk is minimal for heathy, fit 18-22 year olds? (The answer for this one is also “yes“, by the way, so stop being uninformed).

False, but this kind of talk is exactly why we are where we are at right now.

Remind me again. How many of those facts were available “months ago”? (Hint: the answer is “none”)

All of them.

Lastly, should the players themselves or (should they not) be allowed input as to whether they are willing to take that risk?

Its not just about them. Community spread matters. Liability matters. True 'willingness' is hard to really assess when there's a ton of pressure on players to go along. Some players have been vocal about wanting to play... often the ones who also have the most to financially gain by playing this fall.

You are just wrong on all counts here. Just completely and totally wrong. But you're repeating the exact ******** that has us where we are as a country right now. Its amazing that you havent learned a damn thing despite being wrong again and again and again for 6 months.

 

[alarson]

Are you allergic to facts? You’re certainly making it look that way.

Try paying attention for a change. Look more deeply than superficial information. You sound exactly like my friend who gets all his info from online articles and Facebook memes—and never bothers to look any further.

And stop name calling. That’s childish at best.

Good night.

Ah yes, childish at best. Says the guy who says everyone who takes reasonable measures in the face of a pandemic is 'hiding in a hole'.

I'm sick of people like you. We could be like so many other countries and be able to live normally now. But the rest of us have to live this **** because of people like you.

 

[HFCS]

Anyone who thinks this is living in fantasy-land. Bubbling up a large group of college students isnt happening. It hasnt even worked for smaller groups of guys engaging in much less close contact in MLB, where they are being paid an amount that can justify a level of bubble that can never happen for a student-athlete.



False, but this kind of talk is exactly why we are where we are at right now.



All of them.



Its not just about them. Community spread matters. Liability matters. True 'willingness' is hard to really assess when there's a ton of pressure on players to go along. Some players have been vocal about wanting to play... often the ones who also have the most to financially gain by playing this fall.

You are just wrong on all counts here. Just completely and totally wrong. But you're repeating the exact ******** that has us where we are as a country right now. Its amazing that you havent learned a damn thing despite being wrong again and again and again for 6 months.

I think a college basketball conference bubble could actually work if they're all online learning anyway. It'd be a lot less people than the NBA bubble.

But you have the Iowa governor demanding all teachers and students are there in person no matter what, so why would basketball players be ok to remote learn but other Iowans all have to be there unless a quarter of the school has covid? A Big 12 basketball bubble contradicts Iowa governor's decree.

I do feel for the young adults paying the same $ for an inferior online only product, working your own way through college is enough of a gut punch as it is. Scholarship athletes aren't paying for the school, they can still learn, and they wouldn't lose a year of basketball. I'm sure the isolation wouldn't be great but there's plenty of upside to it as well.

 

[HFCS]

Ah yes, childish at best. Says the guy who says everyone who takes reasonable measures in the face of a pandemic is 'hiding in a hole'.

I'm sick of people like you. We could be like so many other countries and be able to live normally now. But the rest of us have to live this **** because of people like you.

I had just gotten off calls with people in Canada, Korea and Austria who are basically living normal lives mostly free of the virus going to the movies and other normal things. Frankly it's incredibly embarrassing. The worst is a call with Chinese who ask about how horrible it must be in America still wrestling with the outbreak explosion. I hate it.

I couldn't handle him saying I'm a "quitter" if I want to try to beat this thing and get back to my normal free and prosperous life like other countries have.

 

[alarson]

I think a college basketball conference bubble could actually work if they're all online learning anyway. It'd be a lot less people than the NBA bubble.

But you have the Iowa governor demanding all teachers and students are there in person no matter what, so why would basketball players be ok to remote learn but other Iowans all have to be there unless a quarter of the school has covid? A Big 12 basketball bubble contradicts Iowa governor's decree.

Its worth noting, in this instance, that between the pac 12 already making the decision and JP indicating that it is likely here too, that basketball is already being delayed until at least january.

 

[ArgentCy]

I've been enjoying all the meltdowns. The Big X most of all but they're all good. The fact is we can get back to normal as soon as you are ready to let go of all the fear.

Let's see, last week I had a fever from some fungus that apparently can cause pneumonia. This week I was around a guy who had just been in the hospital with the Rona and he was spitting all over the place. Yeah the nose started running almost immediately. But doing fine now.

 

[Acylum]

The worst is a call with Chinese who ask about how horrible it must be in America still wrestling with the outbreak explosion. I hate it.

LOL.This is fantastic.

 

[Cy$]

I've been enjoying all the meltdowns. The Big X most of all but they're all good. The fact is we can get back to normal as soon as you are ready to let go of all the fear.

Let's see, last week I had a fever from some fungus that apparently can cause pneumonia. This week I was around a guy who had just been in the hospital with the Rona and he was spitting all over the place. Yeah the nose started running almost immediately. But doing fine now.

you should have no problems being a volunteer substitute teacher then if needed?

 

[Gunnerclone]

No, it’s not what I said.

I will repeat. Do not put words in my mouth.

Making a decision based on a lack of information, running away, is not “fighting“ anything. It’s just hiding in a hole and pulling a roof over your head and humming to yourself and hoping the problem goes away.

Meanwhile, all of those kids they’re supposedly worried about are now in uncontrolled, unsupervised environments. Please feel free to tell me every single one of those players will have the same support systems in place that our players do.

Talk about “stupid logic”. Major fail on your part.

Wow this is really stupid. Right down to the attempted reversal at the end. 3/10.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

And stop name calling. That’s childish at best.

Good night.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool for the loser"

Keep this quote in mind when dealing with these people and you'll walk away with a smile.

 

[cygrads]

What was this thread about again????

 

[BCClone]

you should have no problems being a volunteer substitute teacher then if needed?

I know a few that are doing/considering it. If you have interest, assuming you don't have a license, you need to sign up for the teaching prep class immediately. The biggest problem is the availability of the class. There are several but they fill up quick and you have to keep waiting.

 

[06_CY]

What was this thread about again????

I'm assuming I clicked on the wrong title.

 

[ArgentCy]

you should have no problems being a volunteer substitute teacher then if needed?

Nope, I wouldn't have any problems at all with teaching. Although some others here might see some problems. I'm not sure what the demand is with so many going online.

I've only missed one day of work this year. Otherwise I've been going to the small office and driving all over a couple counties like normal.